dealing with the police

Still have not heard any more information from the OP.

The problem is most people do not know their rights.

They also do not know that a cops can lie to you with no consequences whatsoever.

Answering questions in a friendly short way followed with the question, "Am I being detained?", usually stops them.

Understanding probable cause also will help. See the ACLU website for information.

 

Most police I had to deal with were quite reasonable. From my personal experience I don't agree with all the disrespect and hate against them. Of course I'm aware that I just was lucky and not every policeman is the same. I can also understand them for getting a bit touchy sometimes though, if they're generally treated like the pigs that some of you like to portray them.

 

This is rather crucial. There are three types of contact with a police officer: Contact, detainment, arrest.

You're at the gas station and an officer asks you a question randomly making contact? You can choose not to answer and walk away. It's well within your rights. If he chooses to tell you to stop, he's instantly detaining you, and must provide you with a reason. The last one is fairly self explanatory.

You have specific rights in each stage and knowing which rights for which stage can be very helpful on its own.

 

make friends with individual cops you might encounter.

if there is a beat cop in your neighborhood, get him coffee one morning, give him a gift certificate around christmas, the smaaller your community, the easier it is to be friends with all the cops you have to be.

it's immoral, but it'll work.

useful and true

if you are being detained, you SHOULD be free to go

"am I being detained"

should usually be followed by

"then am I free to go?"

if you are not free to go, and you are not detained, you need to get the badge number and make a report.

probably right at that moment if you can manage it.

 

It's not sure that it's gonna work at all but ok. If he doesn't like you when you're (perhaps not even) in the wrong, he may not like you if you're trying to suck up to him neither. Anyway, too much hassle for most likely nothing as well. What if you finally make a shady understanding and you get pulled over by another cop?

 

More of a random stop type of thing. On foot. I've seen it happen to others also.

I try to diffuse situations as much as possible. But there are some cops that aren't emotionally equipped to be officers. They are the ones with the problem and the ones that are difficult to deal with. Who appreciates a cop who thinks he is a know-it-all or even worse thinks he knows ahead of time that someone is guilty without good reason?

I'm even more concerned about what happens to innocent people because of someone whose mind is already made up. Read about people getting shot and killed because an officer already had it made up in his mind that they were guilty, such as that electrical technician in the British subway who was shot and killed because they thought he was a terrorist or the gentleman of Pakistani descent shot and killed while getting off an airline because they thought he was a terrorist.

Some officers will use their brains and I give them credit. I saw a clip of police chasing a robber into a store. The police came in and saw a person with a gun at the register. They could have easily shot him. But they noticed that he wasn't pointing the gun at them and kept looking toward the back room. The person with the gun at the register turned out to be the owner trying to protect himself and the robber was in a back room. The cops could have easily shot and killed the owner if they hadn't used their brains.


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On foot is the easiest.

UA's comment of asking, "Am I being detained" is easily used while on foot. In a car, you have generally been pulled over and are being detained while they issue a citation. That's why they state why they pulled you over. That's the reason for detainment at the present. If they see something suspicious, they state it to further detain you.

On foot, it's generally considered an "encounter" with the police. Like seeing them walkign down the street or at the gas station. They can talk to you, but cannot require you to speak back w/o detaining you which requires an immediate reason.

If you have reasons to need to keep them at a distance, I might suggest prepaid legal services. They can be quite useful.

 

No one likes a know-it-all cop who can't admit he made a mistake about guilt that he assumed.

Part of the frustration of certain know-it-all police officers stems from an encounter with someone who in their eyes on the surface doesn't look too bright but actually is when they start talking to them. Then they become frustrated that reality is different than what their warped mindset predicted.

None of us are obligated to look 'acceptable' to the police when we're walking down the street, and they don't have the right to declare us guilty because of our appearance.

You may recall a case way back in the 70s where a gentleman with dreads used to take walks at night in his neighborhood. People in the neighborhood would call the police on him repeatedly when he wasn't breaking any laws. The police would stop, detain, and arrest him. They were essentially launching a harassment campaign against him to try to get him off the street at night. He appealed his case to higher courts all the way up to the U.S. Supreme Court and won.

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That is my understanding in the U.S. But the person being questioned doesn't necessarily have the right to not give information, such as ID, if the officer has a reasonable suspicion that a crime has just been committed by that person or if a crime is about to occur. This is where the gray area comes in. Stopping someone who is not doing anything illegal vs. stopping someone who the police believe just committed a crime.

If they think a crime has been committed or will be, you could get cited for concealing identity if you don't give it when an officer asks. If they are stopping you without any good reason, you are not obligated to give information. 4th amendment rights come into play.

I'm not an expert at all of the legal details. Others here might shed some light.

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If they believe that you have just committed a crime, they will tell you so and legally detain you for up to the maximum time allowable.

But they have to state that reason.

Them: "Shaggie, may I ask what you're doing tonight?"

You: "No you may not. Goodnight." (walk away)

Them: "Sir, you need to turn around and answer the question"

You: "Am I being detained"

Them: "Well, no, but...."

You: "Goodnight then." - Walk away

It's that simple. If the answer to detainment is "yes" then:

You: "Why are you detaining me?"

Them: "There's been a rape called in down the street. You match the description. We're going to have to take you downtown"

Or more generally, something far more frivolous. The scenarios are endless. The idea is to just learn your rights and enjoy the power that comes from that knowledge.

 

This helps me a lot. Thanks.

There's an advantage to not getting involved in a protracted exchange with them. Then they start asking even more questions and assuming more guilt.

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i have the ability to manipulate cops. i know them better than i know my own snatch.

 

Are my keys in there by chance? I've been looking all afternoon.....

It's much easier to deal with cops when you have tits, IMO.

 

Just be aware that they can get extremely frustrated when you do this.

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they dont recognize my manipulation as such... usually

 

no, those are in my asshole. damn those keys! always in the last place you would look.

 

Then they are cops who are even dumber than the ones I have to deal with.

Or maybe my breasts aren't as big as yours.

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It's the second one.... most certainly.

 

you are right. none of us are required to look 'acceptable' but as we can see from your example, it helps to do so. the police are no different form anyone else and will judge you.

 

In that case, if I ever wish to commit a crime, I'll be sure to dress nicely so that I can go undetected past the police.

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