Day of Rage on Wall Street! Protesters Occupy Brooklyn Bridge!

It goes much deeper than just deregulation. The root of the problem is fractional reserve banking. Learn that term.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractional_reserve_banking

When you have a private entity called the Federal Reserve, which prints money out of nothing, Wall Street corruption and deregulation is only a symptom of the problem.

None of the current problems with the economy would exist without the insidious Federal Reserve System.

 

Most of the original neocons were liberals. You know that, right?

Case in point: Irving Kristol; a self avowed neo-Trotskyite.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/dmccarthy/dmccarthy23.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Kristol

 

Sometimes the labels hit it right on the head though...

They are now the Progressive Conservatives

They're still crap though.

 

I think part of the problem comes from the way people look and use those words...

Some "liberals" want the freedom to do whatever they want.

Some want to be able to live life without fear of others doing whatever they want.

 

Interesting, it never occurred to me to consider the latter a type of liberal. Well, here's my faux-paux - I read the word 'fear' in conjunction with anothers freedom and I think conservative. It seems that perhaps I need to revamp my definition of what a liberal can be.

Am I derailing this thread?

 

i was looking to, but they tried it on 17th sept... fail... think it will roll again tho, what with this protest now in NYC... :2thumbsup:

 

Why do people focus incessantly on labels like liberal/conservative, left/right, Democrat/Republican etc. when the entire political process is rigged and controlled by big banks and corporate entities? What is the difference between your average Democrat and your average neocon Republican. NOT A FUCKING THING!! The neocons are simply more vocal about their foreign policy objectives, yet all the top-tier Democrats support the War on Terror, which is a product of the neoconservative Project for a New American Century. All this talk of liberals and conservatives is a big smoke screen.

 

Well, think of it this way... should I be free to come and beat you with a stick and take what you have?

I don't think I should, just as you shouldn't be able to it to me...

I want to be free to do whatever I want as long as it is not harming another. Therefore I consider myself a liberal (not Liberal as in the political party...lol) person.

Yes, but I asked for this all to be split off to another thread.

 

because they aren't just politcal labels, they are also real words that have real meanings outside of politics...

 

Ahhh, yes yes that makes sense. Thanks.

 

But they are political terms.

When I hear the word liberal, I think of big government and less freedoms.

When I think of the word conservative, I cannot think of a single politician -- Democrat or Republican -- who upholds any truly conservative values of limited government and personal freedoms and liberties, except maybe Ron Paul.

 

I didn't say they weren't. I said they weren't JUST political terms. If you choose to ignore the other meanings and always assume they are being used as political labels, its only you that are being made to look like an ass because of it.

 

I don't disagree with this. Libertarians are full of shit, too. Like I said, I am against any and all monied systems. Libertarian thought is entrenched in the system's way of thinking, and yeah, many of them are shills for big business.

But you talk of government regulations, but that cannot work when the politicians are all in the pockets of the banks and big business. That's why I have to laugh when I hear someone like Obama talking about going after Wall Street and big business, yet his campaign was (and will be again) bankrolled by Wall Street and the corporations.

Most of the regulations the government has put forward have done more to hurt small businesses than go after the multinationals which pay no taxes.

Regulations would be great if they did what they claim to do.

 

See, you have to be careful here though. Money is not the problem. Money is just a grease to trade.

If you raise chickens and I want eggs, but I only raise pigs and you don't like pork, money makes it possible for us to still trade.

The problem comes from money being valued outside of the ease of trade.

The moment you can 'trade' in money itself, the whole idea goes out the window.

 

Okay, the new consitution as proposed by the Constitutional Council (see below);

http://stjornlagarad.is/english/

Quite interesting stuff... the english translation of the proposed constitution is here in pdf

http://stjornlagarad.is/other_files/stjornlagarad/Frumvarp-enska.pdf


Constitutional Council

The role of the Constitutional Council is to discuss the Constitutional Committee Report and prepare a bill about a revised constitution, taking into consideration the results of the National Forum 2010. The Constitutional Council decides which parts shall be revised and/or suggests new provisions or chapters be added to the current Constitution. The Constitutional Council has three to four months to complete its role and is comprised of 25 delegates.

 

http://inewp.com/?tag=iceland-constitutional-council

Edited to add;

http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/bus...onstitution-welcome-to-the-21st-century/16320

 

Occupy Wall Street has come to the Red River Valley. They havent protested yet but have had a couple meetings. I don't know how to get hold of anybody sounds like they use that facebook. Oviously this is spreading even to up here...

 

So- they're using what amounts to the government's own party line to communicate- facilitating the job of keeping tabs on them? Methinks this reflects a gross underestimation of the scale of what they are protesting.

 

Obama acknowledges Wall St protests....

He thinks they are a relfection of people's feelings towards the economy and the state of the world. The protestors are giving voice to the broader frustrations that people are feeling.

then he moved back into discussing the economy and politics.