Crisis in Iraq

Well I disagree. I believe we can peacefully coexist with muslims as long as we all respect each others' differences. Sadly, its usually not the case and your viewpoint of annihilating an entire culture is certainly part of the problem.

 

There were MANY Nazi sympathizers in the USA: Charles Limburgh, Henry Ford, George Walker and Prescott Bush [ the parents and grandparents of two American Presidents ] and many more. The same was true in the UK. These very people enabled Hitler to take over Germany in the 1930s by providing weapons for the Nazi party. Thompson submachine guns and American made pistols. See Webster Tarpley and the " Hitler Project " about that. I will provide a link. Later, ...Oscar

And here that link is: http://tarpley.net/online-books/george-bush-the-unauthorized-biography/chapter-2-the-hitler-project/

I see Obummer doing EXACTLY the same and MUCH more for the moslem brotherhood. Obummer is POTUS, the Bush and Walkers only businessmen

 

Any kind of sympathizer for ideological preference doesn't matter in a Jihad conflict. People who get shot for wanting to fight for their country make sense as unsympathized with at ANY IDEOLOGY. Leaders all pretend to love each other, but the explanation is only at long last that common people hate each other, like it is just the normal way to be.

God, truly sympathy should go to the innocent who's crime is to be "human beings". Truly they as human as the ones who perpetrated the deed for being nobodies.

 

Again choice is the important factor.

 

What are you saying ? That the " nobodies " of the world who are to blame for all that is so very wrong today ? If that is what you mean I very much disagree. Leaders are leaders. Many nobodies willingly follow their orders and many are forced to follow said orders whether they like it or not. Your response is a confusing one at least to me. ...Oscar

 

My dear fellow Hippies, what you all need to understand is very simple:

The USA supports Saudi Arabia (a dictatorship) and Qatar (a dictatorship) and Bahrain (a dictatorship) and Kuwait (a dictatorship) and many others like them in the Muslim world. These surrogates act on behalf of the USA and do as they please to their own people. In Bahrain the majority of the population is Shia but the USA supports an abusive dictatorship over them. The USA supplies arms to be used to kill and oppress unarmed civilians. The ISIS organization was trained and armed by the USA and funded by the oil rich dictatorships (Qatar and Saudi) to unseat the Asad government in Syria and the Maliki government in Iraq. At the same time, the USA keeps telling the Iraqis that the USA stands with them. Where ever ISIS goes, they kill Shia people by the tens of thousands. And Iraq like Bahrain is predominantly Shia. So all the claims by the USA about bringing democracy to the middle east is a bunch of horse shit. The USA seems to want to install dictatorships against the wish of the local people. As a world leader, the USA stinks.

 

There will be no peace. Men don't have it in them to govern themselves. The atrocity of speaking different languages. It's all about prejudice, religion and very poor communication and it won't stop till we are all annihilated.

 

I think petroleum has something to do with it.

 

In what way?

 

Well, to be honest. Conflict is based on conflict (no shit, Sherlock) and a lack of self acknowledgment of self awareness. You can disagree, but you do not have to kill to make that point. ISIS have chosen a rather despotic and deathly means to make their point. No need.

 

I'm not saying that it's not their fault I'm saying yes they are not handling their problems properly but their problems were not their own doing they are reacting unfavorably to a situation that was forced upon them and instead of dealing with it diplomatically they are resorting to violence

 

Gee Whiz Odon, I do believe we finally agree about somethings. I agree with your above statement. Is that a first ? I think so and a welcome one. ...Oscar

 

I still say petroleum has a lot to do with it. I doubt philosophy or ethics is on their Al Qaeda minds. The Isis fighters are being paid a lot of money by Qatar and Saudi sources who want the petroleum fields. And there are a lot of Isis fighters to be paid. Prince Bandar Bin Sultan gave them one Billion dollars of his own money to get started last year. He is from Saudi Arabia. The Isis fighters are not from Iraq. They are for the most part from poor countries like Egypt, Yemen, Somalia, Libya, and the Occupied Palestinian lands.

 

Maybe spend more than 90% of your time explaining why you agree.

 

They're now trying to create a country in the middle of the dessert. These people have no direction for the meaning of where the country exists for the rest of Islam. And considering this is Ramadan, that is rather ironical as instead this being direction of disagreement upon the religious ideal Time.

 

Who are "they ?

 

They, the bad religious good guys as opposed to the good religious bad guys which would be much part of the elected government now.

 

What is shocking is the level of brutality and barbarism that's being reported, and the extreme type of Islamic law that is being imposed.

I'm sure the politics behind it all is pretty sickening too.
But it's all very complex, and I don't think it's possible to be informed enough to understand the situation based on what the media presents. Iraq and Syria are both complex societies, and a host of outside forces have their hand playing there.

Maybe what we're going to see unfold over time is the Balkanization of the whole middle east. States fragmenting along sectarian lines at war with one another. It seems to be already happening in Iraq.

 

Pardon?

 

Yep. I've learned quite a bit more about all that lately as well as many, many other layers of this issue. My opinion on the whole thing has changed quite a bit since I have last posted on the issue... but I still don't think there is a good option. I do know that ISIS is (obviously) extremely bad and should be stopped... but at what cost? Supporting the other side, which can be just as bad? There is no good option and lots of bad previous choices.

Eh, screw all that. Not saying those things are right or wrong but what's so silly about this whole thing is.... the whole thing is over who should basically follow in Muhammed's footsteps. (Seriously... Christians and Catholics disagree on many, many things religion wise but don't have an ages old battle about it. Well they may have at some point but you know what I mean.)