Could someone tell me what the occupy movement is about

Lol, there's been a huge turnout in DC all this past week. You might want to read through some threads here and catch up before you jump in the conversation.

 

That's exactly why the world is in such a mess. People don't think they have to do things like that. If they did...

 

I mostly agree with you except health insurance. Heath insurance is one of the most wonderful things the human race have ever come up with.

 

Exactly. People just buy all this shit and don't even dream that they could spend their money more wisely and who knows they might even be happier!

 

It'd be better to lower corporation taxes so it's more profitable for the corps. to bring the factories and means of production back to their own countries and create jobs...You'd have to abolish the welfare state first so people wouldn't have any choice but to take the jobs and work for a pittance or starve to death.

 

nothing new, happens about all 80 years in capitalist monetary systems with compound interest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5PcJx46gpw&feature=player_embedded#!

 

Thats exactly what would happen. Americans cant work for the wages developing countries work for. I think the powers that be want one world wage. That means bring down wages of modern Western countries. Yet the costs of goods, services, utilities keep rising.
They shipped Levi's production to China yet Levis cost the same.

 

Yeah, I think you forgot the .

ZW

 

The point of the Occupy movement?
Well, I'm no authority, but I occupied Seattle for a couple weeks. Volunteered first as a street medic, later as Peace & Safety. Got evicted from Westlake Plaza, had my entire outfit stolen by a prowling crackhead during the action, spent three days in jail on $100,000 bail and later helped organize a solidarity march in reaction to OWS' eviction. That particular march went all to hell and ended up with me and several others, including an 80-year-old lady activist, being soaked in Mace.
On a personal level, Occupy has served to more or less ruin my whole game. But like a tattoo, some things are well worth suffering over. Why?

I'll tell you. Because we Americans are being irresponsibly and unethically governed, and have for generations. The government has slowly and deliberately broken it's Constitutional bonds, and now runs rampant regulating and dictating every aspect of our lives. Career politicians have lined their pockets with corporate funds, placing special business interests over the welfare of the people. They have gradually sold us out, and the only exit for America is to restore the Constitution as the highest law of this land, to which all other executive authority is subject. If one studies the Declaration of Independence, The Virginia Plan, The Constitution and the Bill of Rights: it quickly becomes clear that the style of our nation was intended to be very different from what it has evolved into. It is time to return to the principles of our nation's architects, and reshape our country into something the Founding Fathers would take pride in, and which the rest of the world could respect.

The method for achieving this is written into the system itself: our Founding Fathers intended for us to take personal responsibility for our form of government. The first step is the First Amendment.

Failing that, there is a Second Amendment, which should not be exercised lightly as it represents great suffering for all involved. The second option is exactly why I am a member of the Constitutional Militia movement, as should every able-bodied citizen capable of bearing arms. When firearms come into play, dark times have arrived on our shores, and the Militia refers to this style of negotiations as "hard war". What we are experiencing now, the Occupy movement, is considered the "soft war".

In order to prevent hard war, all able-bodied minutemen should be reporting for duty at every Occupy encampment in the country, in order to support the movement and add the voice of Patriot and Constitutionalist thought to the General Assemblies. However, the Militia movement itself is quite divided on the subject and those who oppose supporting OWS actually splintered away from the established National Militia forums and even conducted a cyber-attack against WRAM, a key communications hub.

What is the Occupy movement? Trouble, obviously. But necessary trouble, just ask the architects. A New World Order closes it's fist around the only country we're legally allowed to live and work in. Most people don't have the stomach for this fight: they still believe that comfort and happiness can be found in products, they still believe that safety is more valuable than liberty.

 

I didn't knew what the occupy moment was all about.
When I read this thread I knew alot of the stuff already and had discussed the topics a lot of times but never used or even heard the name occupy moment
But thanks for the head up

 

I found Occupy Aarhus on Occupytogether.org
They also list an Occupy Denmark Facebook page.

I thought you might be interested.

 

Found that too wile looking in to it yesterday but thanks anyways

 

I think the movement is slowly falling apart. I don't think they know what they're about. I was watching occupy iowa (or was it utah?) lastnight. Early on a statement was made the occupy IS NOT a movement to legalize drugs. Pot was brought up lastnight, to which everyone cheered. The 'powers to be' will latch onto this kind of stuff and make this movement a joke.

Not to say I'm against legalizing pot, i'm in favor of it, but they probably need to be careful.

 

Occupy is a wonder joke . Let it be . It is funny . For sensibility in action ,
camping (eco) is respectable and so is consensus (family) .

 

It will be interesting to see which leaders emerge.

However, I think the movement is too diverse for there to ever be one undisputed leader. Movements rarely have such a person. Martin Luther King was not even an undisputed leader/spokeman of the civil rights movement at the peak of his career. There was actually a great deal of dispute as to tactics and goals between him and Malcom X, for example. Decades later we usually view King as the spokesman/leader, but at the time it was more complicated.

Having one undisputed spokesman might make movements more effective, but competing factions usually make that impossible. Perhaps it is even a good thing.

 

Simply put theres x amount of working class people in the US and x amount of jobs. For quite some time the numbers representing x where rather equal. Throw in tax breaks to send jobs overseas, the cheapness of manufacturing overseas compared to our increasing minimum wage (which is a joke anyway no one can live off $7.25 an hour) most companies have a fancy office here and do everything else overseas. So America loses x amount of jobs and the balance is offset by a rather massive amount I mean millions of jobs are now overseas. Then throw in the poor government regulation on illegal immigration over 2 million fewer jobs for legit american citizens. so now you have an even less balance. and being a poor person living in a bad area mostly hispanic the lines on pay day for western union and money gram are terrible 2 million people in our country with no right to be here sending billions to there families in other countries. Throw in increased cost of food, rent going up, medical costs increasing to handle the massive amounts of people not paying their bills and loads of other things people don't have the money to spend at the store like they used to. So now the stores make less money which travels to the manufacturers who see their profits going down who in turn jack up prices. And yes some people did get houses above their means and a lot of people did get too many credit cards but houses are freakin expensive. Even used ones unless you want a little one bedroom shack and even those are not cheap and restrict you to having no kids which yes keeping the population in check is a good idea but you go door to door telling people not to have sex. Birth control? Yay sterilize the fish population and knock out a whole link in the food chain so we can live in one bedroom shacks. Home builders no loner build houses for anyone but the upper middle class and higher leaving anyone middle class (if there even really is one) to scrounge around for the leftover used ones that need thousands they can't afford in repairs. Costs today make it pretty much a requirement to use credit of some sort just to get by most of my friends and family make less than me I make $20 an hour and have a hard time with money with over half my income going to basic utilities no extras. I know a lot of people and I am very social and its a struggle all over. I not only know but hear all the things people say. Job doesn't pay enough get a new one! yes thats so easy to do. Get an education! So easy while trying to support yourself and a family oh and the nice monthly student loan bills. Don't have a job? go get a job at mcdonalds they are always hiring! Ok anything less than $15 an hour and you're either going to have to have government assistance of some kind (food stamps, section 8, etc.) have roomates (good luck finding someone responsible,relaible, and easy to get along with) or work your behind off 40+ hours a week just to have the minimum in life not even a car just a house and food and thrift store clothes. And yeah its survival sure but its also depressing which can suck the life out of someone real fast. Living on minimum wage actually doesn't even cover the cost of basic rent and utilities unless you live in a rural area and then to get a minimum wage job you usually have to transit to a big city but wait no car because you can barely afford your house now. I know my post is random and ranty and a tad chaotic but like the occupy movement there isn't a central goal or reason because there are way too freakin many to choose just one

 

believe me when i say, it is no holiday, and many are employed people actually IB...

money... naive to think otherwise...

the occupy movement is basically a REAL kind of democracy, not anything like the fake one we currently have... there really are no leaders... all people are respected as equals, because we all have something to offer, whether that be clearing up shit or participating in political debates, washing dishes, cooking, making banners, being a part of planning the next Direct Action or sorting the rubbish into respective wheelie bins, writing an article etc etc.... we all have strengths and weaknesses... :sunny:

Occupy is our future... it does not hark back to any of the previous political ideologies... Occupy is here to stay, and it is growing... :daisy:

 

Maybe some people expect Occupy to fix everything and that is silly.
It has been very good at drawing attention to several urgent problems in major western countries. So let's praise it for doing that well.

I hope that a lot of social networking got started and that people will not go from the streets back to their living room couches. Instead, the logical next step would be for people to get involved in specific charities, think tanks, political groups and environmental groups to take on the specific problems in a systematic fashion.
I am sure that many of them were involved in such causes before the protests.

When your neighbor loses his job, you are tempted to just call it a recession, shake your head sadly and go back watching to your favorite TV show.

When you lose your job, then you call it a Depression and maybe you will be more ready to take action.

 

another thing i hear people say in regards to those un or underemployed is go to college well lets pretend everyone in the world takes that advice. What do you have? People flipping burgers with bachelors degrees instead of people that either chose not to go to school or do anything with their life or didnt have the means to do so flipping them thats not the cure either

 

snelson,

Maybe we can't pay entry level hamburger cooks enough money to sustain a family of four, but warehouse work in a union shop has historically paid enough, trades such as carpentry, heating and air, electrical, plumbing, line crews, traditionally paid a wage that could support a wife and kids AND the companies they worked for still made plenty of money.

For low-wage workers who do have a family to raise, then we need a social safety net to help them be good providers too!
All work has dignity and the pay should reflect that.

The pay scale and economy in India, China and Vietnam is such that no matter how low you go with American wages, these overseas workers will always, always earn far less on a wage that would starve even one worker by himself in America.
For this problem, we need tariffs and restrictions on offshoring and overseas outsourcing.
American companies used to make clothes in America AND turn a profit. When we imposed laws to make labor in America safer and more fair to the worker, we should also have made sure that we were not simply transfering the slave labor overseas (out of sight and out of mind).