Conspiracy or lobbying?

I agree. You have to be constantly vigilant, because there is always someone that thinks they can con the game or change the rules to profit themselves. And they do it over and over again. This new mortgage mess is just more of the same of what happenned with the Savings and Loans. But we are supposed to of forgotten about that.

The cost of gasoline is just another example of what Enron pulled pulled in California. I don't have Alzheimers I realize someone is getting rich at the expense of others and it isn't the welfare mothers or slackers.

 

Well I for one am not satisfied.

If Matt was able to understand that the CFR is a compartmentalized body mixed with a few people at the top who run the agenda, then people who belong to the CFR must have a better idea on what goes on behind closed double-doors. Surely he isn't the only person in the world that has a grudge against the elites.

I doubt that 3,000+ of them are blind sheep. I don't think that's giving intelligent and hard working people enough credit to understand the same things that you claim to know, Matt.

Like I said, there must be organized revolutionaries out there fighting back against total world-domination, and it would be a change of pace to hear about them once and awhile.

The doom and gloom card seems to be played every hand, and it can only take you so far in waking people up.

 

Instead of wishing to hear about these organizations perhaps you should seek them out? Although I doubt they will advertise in your local yellow pages.

-Mike

 

http://www.cfr.org/search.html?q=ne...et=cfr&oe=&getfields=authors.pubtype&x=11&y=9

 

So the CFR is "organized revolutionaries out there fighting back against total world-domination"? Your post would imply this.

-Mike

 

Mine?

No, they would be the so-called masters of our demise.
The website is just a mere front though- the real power brokers never raise there head there. Well, apart from a few times a week and twice on Sunday.

 

Well then I don't understand the meaning or purpose of your post. My post was in response to Aristartle, "Like I said, there must be organized revolutionaries out there fighting back against total world-domination, and it would be a change of pace to hear about them once and awhile."

So I recommend that she try and seek out these on her own, and you quote me with a link to cfr.org.

So, like I said, I don't understand where you come in.

-Mike

 

With my left foot it seems.
Been a long day

 

Well, if you want to know the agenda of the CFR, you can simply read this quote from Carroll Quigley, who was a member of this organization:

"The Council on Foreign Relations is the American branch of a society which originated in England ... [and] ... believes national boundaries should be obliterated and one-world rule established."​

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I never said nor implied that everyone in the CFR is a sheep. However, many of them do believe in the system. When a person believes in something based on the limited information they're provided, they are less likely to question it. It's kind of like doctors. There are many doctors out there who are well-meaning, yet demonize the use of supplements and other alternative treatments because of the propaganda put out in the big medical journals which are owned by the pharmaceutical cartels. They won't think twice about prescribing pharmaceuticals which have shown in numerous studies to be potentially dangerous and in some cases ineffective altogether. They won't think twice about injecting girls with the HPV vaccine that has proven to be dangerous and ineffective. You see, a person is not likely to question the system which has given them so much prestige and ability to afford all the luxuries in life. Most people are not going to bite the hand that feeds them. When a person in trapped within the matrix, they often lack the discernment to see that matrix for what it is. This includes 98% of the public who believes it's easier just to go along to get along. There are many, many intelligent people in the world, but very few people who are truly critical thinkers.

 

Here are some more quotes pertaining to the CFR from (in some instances) rather prominent people:

"For a long time I felt that FDR had developed many thoughts and ideas that were his own to benefit this country, the USA. But he didn't. Most of his thoughts, his political 'ammunition,' as it were, was carefully manufactured for him in advance by the Council on Foreign Relations-One World Money Group."

- Curtis Dall, ex-President Franklin Roosevelt’s son-in-law

"Let us face reality. The framers (of the Constitution) have simply been too shrewd for us. They have outwitted us. They designed separate institutions that cannot be unified by mechanical linkages, frail bridges, (or) tinkering. If we are to turn the founders upside down… we must directly confront the Constitutional structure they erected."

- James MacGregor Burns, Council on Foreign Relations member, 1984

"We shall have world government whether or not you like it, by conquest or consent."

-Statement by Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) member James Warburg to The Senate Foreign Relations Committee on February 17th, l950

"The sovereignty fetish is still so strong in the public mind, that there would appear to be little chance of winning popular assent to American membership in anything approaching a super-state organization. Much will depend on the kind of approach which is used in further popular education."

- 1944 Council on Foreign Relations Report

"The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) has just let the cat out of the bag about what’s really behind our trade agreements and security partnerships with the other North American countries. A 59-page CFR document spells out a five-year plan for the 'security community' with a common 'outer security perimeter'.... [i.e.] wide-open U.S. borders between the U.S., Mexico and Canada... at this ... meeting [3-23-05]... President Bush pinned the epithet 'vigilantes' on the volunteers guarding our border in Arizona... the CFR document calls for 'a seamless North American market' and for 'the extension of full labor mobility to Mexico.'... adopting a 'tested once' principle for pharmaceuticals, by which a product tested in Mexico will automatically be considered to have met U.S. standards.... putting illegal aliens into the U.S. Social Security system, which is bound to bankrupt the system. ... a major fund to finance 60,000 Mexican students to study in U.S. colleges.... supervision by a North American Advisory Council of 'eminent persons'."

-Idaho Observer, August 21, 2005

"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries."

- David Rockefeller (CFR), founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991.



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The secret to the secret is that none of it is secret.

Btw, Odon, I didn't mean any offense with what I have said. I am just giving my opinion on what I see happening with both the nation of the United States and England. I do NOT want any of this to be true or for any of this to happen.

It's true that many books have no connections with reality, but there are some that do, and I believe 1984 is one of these books. I just ask that you look into it, even if it's to prove crazies like me wrong

We went into how there aren't any people trying to infiltrate these organizations, but their are, and we ignore them once they do come out. It's also important to know that their is risk involved with whistle blowing. I know it sounds nice to think that many would risk this for the freedoms of others, but in reality many are just too afraid to even go against these people and I can't say that I blame them. But fortunately, there are those that do fight for others freedoms. We just rarely ever hear about it on corporate media. News isn't considered reliable unless it comes from a corporation.

 

This is true, because the truth is out there for people that want it, and in many instances is published by the conspirators themselves and their various think tanks and NGO's.

It's kind of like what HG Wells referred to as "the open conspiracy" in his book of the same title.

Here is what he said:

"The Open Conspiracy will appear first, I believe, as a conscious organization of intelligent, and in some cases wealthy men, as a movement having distinct social and political aims, confessedly ignoring most of the existing apparatus of political control, or using it only as an incidental implement in the stages, a mere movement of a number of people in a certain direction, who will presently discover, with a sort of surprise, the common object toward which they are all moving. In all sorts of ways, they will be influencing and controlling the ostensible government."

So none of this is a secret, really, but to most people it is because it's kept hush-hush by the media and the education system, which doesn't teach people to think, but rather how to think and what to think.

 

So, there is no organized body aiming to take these people down?

Boy, do I have a lot of work cut out for me.

 

Yes, average people who are exposing them. Sure there are whistleblowers that have spoken out over the years, but they are often ignored by the media.

What I say is that people need to become informed as individuals so they can help to wake others up. Of course I realize that not everyone can or even wants to be woken up, but the word needs to get out there to as many people as possible. Only once enough people have woken up can something be done by people coming together as sentient indivduals to do something concrete collectively.

These people are not all-powerful, but they are as long as the people decide to do nothing.

 

I did not mean any offence either, just giving my opinion.

I don't think you are crazy, I just think you are wrong.
I have read 1984, page by page, and the a myriad of opinions based on its premise.
I think, having lived in the UK all my life, your assertions about our "surveilance society" is wrong, very very wrong.

 

Yeah, right. That's why you have 1 CCTV camera for every 14 people.

Keep drinking that koolaid.

 

A large No., yes.
Where do you think they are situated?
On every street?
One covering 4-5 homes, with a government operator watching them morning noon and night?
Like I said, if you consider CCTV in most shops (sometimes upto 4), covering the outside of most larger shops/business' (sometimes more than one), covering city centres and problem estates and CCTV catching speeding motorists, as being EVERYWHERE.
Then, yes, we are indeed in a "surveilance society".

That is why there are so many in the UK.
Case closed.

If you don't think this constitutes a "surveilance society" (like me).
The figure is still alarming, but the significance is not so.
I'm not watched where ever I go, neither does the government actualy operate the majority of the CCTV that is used.
There is legislation covering the use of CCTV.
If you think you know so much about the use, legislation and public opinion of CCTV, maybe you would like to enlighten us all about it.

P.S

I can now watch the clips you sent me...I'll respond later today, thanks.

 

Yeah, the cameras are always turned off when there's a "terrorist" attack, like on 7/7.

 

Not answering my point, rat, are you?

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Where do you think they are situated?
On every street?
One covering 4-5 homes, with a government operator watching them morning noon and night?

If you think you know so much about the use, legislation and public opinion of CCTV, maybe you would like to enlighten us all about it.

 

Well, in London they are every couple hundred feet and just about on every street corner. Whether there is somebody watching them every minute is irrelevant. The fact is, it is Orwellian to not be able to walk on the street without cameras pointing at you wherever you go like you're a prisoner. They even have talking cameras in London that are monitored around the clock. Watch this if you don't believe me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ze5eDmGX-lc