Congress to Censor Hip Forums!!!

I don't.

Fascist pigs, I'd say, is about accurate, although not for this issue alone.

 

Ofcourse I didnt mean literally dieing,
I just meant it doesnt do anything bad,
maybe that's a bit easyer for you to understand.

And the maturity?
Yeah right, I see people of 20 that still start to laugh at the word penis because they think it's a funny word because it's about something of which they cant understand it's completely normal, so does it have anything to do with age, really?

 

i dont know about your country, but in the US, 18 years of age is the legal age of an adult. It may be arbitrary, it may not cover everyone equally(as some mature early or late), but it is what it is.

 

Yeah and?
18 to be a adult according to the goverment,
but does that have anything to do with if you should see "adult" material or not?

So you abide by ever law and regulation and you agree with anything the goverment says?
I mean after all, it is what it is, according to you...

Your reply shows that you completely missed my point

 

penis..........hehehehe

 

Hahaha, like that yeah

 

Yes. However, if your parents decide to let you look at adult material then it is fine.

I speed like a mother fucker. However, i'm not asking the government to allow me to. If i get caught, i get caught...

 

I agree that posting on an entertaining Web site like Hipforums in no way compares to reading a good book as far as educational content goes. I learn far more from reading a book than engaging in debates or discussions with others in forums like these.

 

I dont care if it's educational or not, or it's dangerous for immature kids or not, it's not the concern. It is freedom above all.
"Give me liberty or give me death." ---Patrick Henry

 

Which brings us to the question:
Why should you keep your kid from seeing it?

Yeah, but, you have the option to speed,
those "kids" dont have the option to view whatever they want to see, because it's blocked and there is no way to get around it.
(not a simple way, always a way though.)

 

Right On Skip

 

Some of us who are parents take the position that restrictive education is not accurate education. When my kid is old enough, I would want him to have access to the experiences of drug users, so that he may better understand the issues involving drug use from both sides. I've already spoken to my son about marijuana, and both sides of the political issue surrounding its use. He is developing quite an interest in industrial hemp, watching me build my buisness and drawing his own conclusions based on the educational materials I have provided him.

The truth is, there are very strong differing opinions about the appropriateness of drug laws. In New York State, drug educated is mandated, however the state can regulate subject but not content. To take the approach that only one side of the political "drug war" is appropriate for (especially older) children to be exposed to is limiting the political freedom of the parents, not to mention the teens who are approaching voting age with an incomplete and manipulated picture of the issues. Thus I restate my position that parenting is the job of parents, not governments.

Drug education - from either side of the political fence - is not and should not be limited to "Just Say No" (Unless of course, you are Nancy Reagan. The term "drugs" in itself encompases a wide range of substances, from illegal "hard drugs" to controversial ones like pot and LSD, to prescription and over-the-counter medications, to legal substances and even foods like alcohol, coffee, and chocolate. It is not enough for a kid hungry for learning (and all children want to learn, even if the narrowly-defined teaching strategies of the public school systems do not embrace their learning style) to be told "NO!" and nothing more. That may be appropriate for a toddler reaching for a hot panhandle, but not a teen whose brain is awakened and hungry to understand. They want to know all the facts, to understand them, and draw their own political conclusions. Encouraging understanding and political freedom is not encouraging drug use, and the very idea is absurd.

As a parent and educator, I have already stated that these forums have provided a valuable tool for both mine and my son's education. Learning is not an activity restricted to books, in fact, as an unschooler I strongly believe that learning happens best through other people and experiences, not tests and workbooks and papers. Restricting access to forums and other places where information about both sides of controvesial issues are freely exchanged is political censorship, and censorship of any kind has no place in any effective educational system. If you truly understood how education works, you would see there is no way you can dress it up as "concern for the children." (Which is actually how most censorship and discrimination masquerades itself.) It is political censorship, plainly and clearly.

 

Because i deem it inappropriate

I'm sure there will be ways around the ban at schools. There always are.

Even if there is not, it is silly to argue that kids should have the option to break the rules.

 

No one is trying to take away your right to show your kid this site.

This ban is to stop unsupervised kids from viewing adult and/or material deemed inappropriate for them.

 

Hahahaha! Yes Yes! Right on! Man you guys rock! Stand up for what you beleive in! Yes! I completly think for myself anyone who trys to tell me wrong you better watch out! j/k anyways yah right on again tho!

 

Why?
I always figured it was the most normal thing on earth.

I believe we werent even discussing that at all.
We were talking about something way different, do you even read my posts before replying to them?


The most stupid thing you can do in my opinion,
is to stop "kids" from seeing the truth.
There ARE drug users and abusers on the world, there IS something like sex, why the fuck should you keep them from seeing the true world?
Keep them dumb, that's what happends, it's no real education.
All the kids get to learn EXACTLY the same thing and are not really developping individually, they get teached what the goverment would like them to know, nothing more.
Now what's more important? Being able to say 1 + 1 = 2 or indicating when you are in a "bad" situation? You dont get teached how to handle things in a crap situation, no they want to make you believe there are none and that the goverment is so fucking good and keeps everything safe, bullshit.
The only good thing about school are the breaks where "kids" can finally socialize with each other and think for themselves instead of learning 100% the same shit as the rest of your class.

 

I agree all the way with Liroy [:

 

I dont need to give a reason as a parent.

But if you seriously wonder why i might not show my kid pornography or a site that encourages drug use..... well i'm too nice to say it

" Yeah, but, you have the option to speed,
those "kids" dont have the option to view whatever they want to see, because it's blocked and there is no way to get around it.
(not a simple way, always a way though.)"

Coulda fooled me...

WHOA, the hipforums is now the truth? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Who said anything about keeping them in the dark about drugs or sex? I believe i can do a better job teaching my kid than hipforums.

Kids wasting all their time on computers when they should be learning is one reason why our kids our dumb...

Well, they are government funded schools, ya know. If you dont like what the government teaches your kid, put the kid in private school or home school the kid. Or better yet, get on the board of ed and change the curriculum. Skills taught in school(for those that pay attention) actually foster a desire to learn more. Most dont pay attention, however.

I dont believe hipforums/myspace/pornography has taught me to indicate when i'm in a bad situation. So i'll pick 1+1=2 as being more important than hipforums.

I'm sorry that you believe this. I think school has been lost on you.