Clinton Vs. Trump

Are most of us finally ready to move on to discussing the general election? These primaries are pretty well wrapped up, and the results match what I was predicting in February. There was a little drama along the way, but it didn't change anything.

I can't believe this poll only has 14 votes so far.

 

Back in February I said something like, "if it comes down to Clinton VS Trump, there's going to be a lot of people not voting..."

 

... which means that Trump really could win. :bigcry:

 

Yes... Yes it does.

 

And then we will deserve all the hatred we will get from the rest of the world.

 

I think we'll see a larger percentage than usual go third party this election. It should be interesting.

 

Who's going to run third party who has any name recognition? Nobody yet.

 

Who do I predict? I predict Trump will win. The thing is, even if the traditional GOP guys don't like Trump, they will still vote him over Clinton. Also liberals near the fence might vote Trump because he is not the traditional GOP right winger, and many who are sick of political correctness, and sensationalist social justice warriors.

 

Oh dont get me wrong, i dont think any of them are known enough to actually win

But Gary Johnson has enough name recognition to take a fair amount of votes from Trump - a lot of republicans who arent insane enough to vote Trump may feel the Johnson

And i think a lot of Bernie suporters will give their vote to Jill Stein rather than Hillary.

 

Maybe, somehow, they just don't have any idea what's in the Republican party platform. I don't have any idea how that's possible, but I don't have another explanation. There's not a single item in the GOP agenda that isn't a steaming pile of shit.

 

So the Koch Brothers have hinted that they will be able to work with Mrs. Clinton.

This says more about Trump than about Mrs Clinton.

Hillary is the adult in the whole primary scene.

I read about the economic disasters in Brazil, Venezula, Cuba and elsewhere. Adults do not Bernie and his opiate of communism and statisim.

 

Piney, you don't make a lot of sense. Especially that last sentence or is it just me?

I really hope so.

I strongly disagree it is throwing your vote away. Standing by your principles and using your vote to carry that out is never throwing it away, even when it is certain the one your voting for doesn't have a chance to get elected.
You guys really don't get it (imho): there are more options. They just don't get results on the short term.
Voting against Trump/the republicans is merely voting against the worst option. Keeping the status quo going. Maybe it is easy for me to say because I am 1) relatively young and 2) not even american but I would say fuck this democratic candidate if it was not your first option in a long shot.
All these sensible people voting as if they have lost already, it is just pathetic. If they would all use their vote progressively it could really instigate a change. These 'third parties' (kind of says how much use they have atm ) really could mean much more for your democracy. Not primarily by geting a president in the white house, and not if 99% of american voters believe everything is lost if one of the 2 big parties doesn't get their vote. Whoo abortion, gay rights, I vote democratic! There's no other option. Disgusting.... Is this proper democracy?

 

You're focusing only on what can be accomplished between now and November. It takes a lot longer than that to build a viable political movement in a country this size. If Bernie starts working this winter to help his followers find other like-minded candidates for President and other important elected offices, they stand a chance of winning some races in two or four years. This November? Forget it. Lost cause.

You can't focus too much on the top office. Nobody can accomplish much without control of the congress. That's just the way the system is set up.

 

Reasons i'm voting third party since you guys don't get it

1 - i live in a red state. A very red state. Even if I voted for Hillary, it wouldnt matter. But if a third party candidate gets a large enough percentage of the overall vote they become eligible for federal funding. Therefore, in my state voting for a third party candidate actually does make a bigger impact than voting Democrat.

2. I am not a Democrat so I am not beholden to any candidate.i have no party loyalty. I decided after voting Obama in 08 and not being very impressed (i know - he faced a lot of opposition. I think he was a decent president But there are reasons i found his performance lackluster that arent suitable for discussion in this thread) that i wouldnt vote Democrat again unless a very special candidate came along.

3. Hillary is not a special candidate. Her various views on the issues may look fine on paper, but she has a history of corruption and she, like most wealthy politicians, is beholden to her donors at the end of the day. Also, she is a centrist. She will do what a good Democrat is supposed to do in regards to wedge issues but she will never enact the real change this country needs.

4. The argument that voting third party will take votes away from Hillary doesnt really stand this election. Gary Johnson is likely to syphon more votes from Trump than Jill Stein will from Hillary.

5. How long do we have to keep playing this lesser of 2 evils political game. We cant stop this election because the more evil candidate is worse than normal? So when?

An addendum: i'm hoping to see both parties implode soon.

 

I do get it; I'm just going in a different direction. I'm in a state that swings both ways in presidential elections.

 

lol, Meagain...you are a little warrior, aren't you?.......and not in any underhanded ways.......

Don't worry...i was disappointed about Bernie not being our next president big time, but my one vote will go to Hillary. I am certainly not voting for DT.

 

TBH I'm actually looking forward to the first debate between Clinton and Trump

It will be interesting to see how they answer questions about their alliances and partnerships of the recent past. Since Trump donated a fortune to Hillary's senate campaign and the Clinton foundation.