Clinton Vs. Trump

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Karen_J, Feb 25, 2016.

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President of the US - November 2016 election

  1. Hillary Clinton

    19 vote(s)
    65.5%
  2. Donald Trump

    10 vote(s)
    34.5%
  3. Gary Johnson

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  1. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    So what you are saying, correct me if I'm wrong, you are saying that Hillary and Obama have been treated the same as any other politician. Even with all the trumped up charges against the Clintons including the ridiculous grounds for Bill's impeachment, and the obstructionism of both the Clintons and Obama?

    Republicans used to willing to reach compromises with the noble opposition...not now....so tell me how the Democrats used this tactic against Reagan.
     
  2. xenxan

    xenxan Visitor

  3. I would vote for Jim's dead body over Katy Perry for president.

    But seriously, Bernie is a relic of the sixties. He was there living the life that hippies are so nostalgic for. On the other hand we've got Hillary, who is undeniably a corporate shill. I don't understand how you got to this website if you support Hillary over Bernie.
     
  4. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Bernie Panders is just another fraud who panders to minorities and special interest groups. That's why he squashed efforts to audit the Fed. He talks about Wall Street and the 1%, but says nothing about the Federal Reserve and the .001% who control that private institution which is the mother of all banks and thus ALL corporate corruption in the US AND ABROAD. Bernie Sanders is simply a disgusting person put out there to appease all the pseudo-intellectual liberals and brainwashed college kids who have been indoctrinated by their professors with all this communistic rhetoric which merely pretends to be anti-establishment. Bernie Panders is just as entrenched in the establishment as Hillary. And like Donald Trump, he talks the talk while not actually walking the walk. I say fuck Bernie Sanders. He is just another one of these people who, like Trump, is given to those who are disillusioned with the way things currently are and looking for a change which is never going to come. I would not vote for Bernie Panders any more than I would vote for Hillary or Donald... even if I thought it mattered.
     
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  5. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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  6. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    Not exactly. I'm just talking about perception. Everyone famous has a band of lovers and haters. This is especially the case in politics as it seems impossible to have a controversy-free political career for anyone who takes up that profession. Frankly, I don't give a shit if they're democrat or republican as it's just divisive bullshit for the most part.
     
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  7. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Succinctly stated.
     
  8. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    So, just because somebody is old doesn't mean they can't be deceived like everyone else.

    Yes, Sanders DID initially back the audit the Fed bill. Then at the last minute he back-peddled and did not support the full provisions for a full and open audit.
     
  9. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Well, that's pretty obvious.
     
  10. Meliai

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    PR, when did Bernie vote against auditing the Federal Reserve? I looked it up and the only thing I found was that Rand Paul and Sanders cosponsored, and voted in favor of, legislation requiring an audit?
     
  11. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    So PR, what do you think is the solution? It seems you are against anyone who runs for political office. Are you against the entire political system in the U.S.? Does it have any redeeming values at all?

    I understand you don't like Trump or Clinton...so who would you like to see on the ballot for President, or are you for complete anarchy, or an overthrow of the government, or what exactly?
    It's easy to come on here and tell us we are all delusional and blind but to offer no solution helps no one.

    So if I wake up and gain my eyesight back...what should I do? Who should I support? Or should I just throw my hands up, declare the whole system corrupt and withdraw from supporting, voting, protesting, or otherwise participating in how the nation is governed?
     
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  13. 6-eyed shaman

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    Actually you're both right. Bernie did vote in favor of Audit the Fed this year when almost all the other democrats voted no. But in 2010 when audit the fed was up for a vote, Sanders did originally work with Ron Paul to get it passed in the senate, but then switched at the last minute and watered it down, nullifying the whole bill. He has flip flopped on Audit the Fed.

    http://www.politicalcure.com/2015/09/02/bernie-sanders-destroyed-audit-the-fed-bill/
     
  14. Meliai

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    I did some research on the 2010 vote and from what i can tell, Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders both knew legislation for a full fed audit would never pass. Ron Paul wanted to push it through anyways to call out anyone who voted no. Bernie wanted to be more pragmatic so voted no and then pushed for a more watered down legislation so it would actually pass.

    and he did vote for a full audit this year
     
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  18. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    I read it.

    First a little history:
    The citizens of Syria rose up to overthrow their dictator, Assad after he responded violently to protests against his rule. His father, Hafez al-Assad, gained control of Syria through a coup in 1970. Upon his death his son, Bashar al-Assad declared himself ruler and crushed all opposition and calls for a Democratic government.
    In 2003 Assad opposed the Iraq invasion by the U.S. This led to Bush's attempts to destabilize the regime.
    In 2011 the Free Syrian Army was formed and a civil war began. They began receiving aid from Turkey. By the end of the year they were also receiving aid from The British, French, and Americans.
    By 2012 Assad began shelling civilian centers.

    And so it goes.
    This is what I learned from it.

    A nation of people is attempting the overthrow of its dictator and his oppressive rule and it is being aided by certain Democratic nations. Sorta like when some young upstart group of colonies received aid from the French and Spanish in the gaining of their democracy.

    The U.S. (and Clinton) decided to join with Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Britain, France, The Arab League, Jordan, Croatia, and Qata in aiding the rebels.
    Besides the people's quest for Democracy, the Arab nations and Israel fear that Iran, one of Assad's allies, may gain more control in the region if Assad retains power, possibly leading to Iran gaining a nuclear weapon.

    So I don't understand what you are saying xenxan.
     
  19. Well I found the congressional hearing on Sanders' bill which was, according to Ron Paul, a watered down version of his original bill.

    https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-2010-05-06/pdf/CREC-2010-05-06-pt1-PgS3303-3.pdf

    Begins on page 26. Just read what Sanders is saying. His amendment called for the Fed to reveal where two trillion dollars it lent out went. Do you think this wouldn't have revealed anything about the Fed? I didn't read Ron Paul's bill, but Sanders makes explicit that his doesn't include telling the Fed how to manage its money, which I imagine is what Ron Paul objected to. But it doesn't need to do that, because if the American people had found out what happened to that two trillion dollars, it most likely would have been all over for the Fed and any bill Ron Paul wanted to pass to audit the Fed would have then passed. Sanders was just being pragmatic, as always, as far as I can tell.
     
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