I tossed mine in the trash. I'm not registered in any party and I haven't been following local politics in my current location.
Well I tried to warn y'all about trying to play nice with the cons. The spinelessness of the democrats, has let the cons take over the propaganda, and painted Shrillary as the criminal. The voters are now CONvinced that she can't be trusted....that she committed crimes with her emails. Yes, the GOP is full of morons willing to put a nut job narcissist finger on the nuclear button. But will the DNC let it happen, just for the sake of trying to make the first female POTUS? Or will those 500 SUPER DELEGATES switch to the only person that can stop the madness? If those 500 SUPER DELEGATES switch to Bernie, he'll win in November.
^ hey you're right. I've looked more into the Nevada debacle and it really made a mockery of the Democratic process. That lady, whatever her name and title is, I can't remember - she probably didnt deserve death threats but she deserved something . She really illustrates how the Democratic party is corrupt from the top to the bottom.
I wonder just how many of you Sanders supporters would suddenly stop criticizing Hillary if he was offered the vice presidency Hotwater
I really don't know about that. Being the vice president is pretty darn useless. Vice presidents are chosen because they can bring in a certain number of votes.
Sanders would help to mobilize the democratic base, also any of his supporters who don’t trust Hillary could then rest assured there will be someone in the white house who will look out for their interests Hotwater
I still wouldn't like her, I would still criticize her and I doubt if it would make me vote for her. If I did vote for her with Bernie on the the ticket, it would be because of something Bernie said to convince me.....not anything she may say because she has convinced me that when I hear her speak, I should automatically assume she is either lying or pandering unless/until proven otherwise. So yeah....I'd still criticize her. But in all fairness, if Bernie did something I didn't like, I'd criticize him for it. I voted for Obama twice and I have no problem criticizing him for things I don't like. At least Obama is likable though.
Well that's the American Right for ya, Hillary is guilty until proven innocent. That's what our country is built on.....good thinking.
I never said she was guilty of anything. I said what I think and feel when I hear her talk. I don't think that about everyone....just people who I think have a history of lying and flip-flopping positions on issues. And no....I'm not talking about "years of vast right-wing smears". I'm talking about documented positions she has stated clearly in the past and then back-tracked when the political winds changed and then also shit she just lied about blatantly, shit she is clearly trying to hide, etc. There is nothing very complicated or in dispute here. And I am nowhere near the "American Right".
The Nevada convention was a farce and it's perfectly understandable to me that people got as angry as they did. And I don't think Bernie has to accept responsibility for the actions of his followers any more than Hillary has to take responsibility and apologize for that actor (whatever his name is) Hillary supporter who assaulted a female Bernie supporter recently. Bernie said that violence and threats were unacceptable. Hillary's camp wants him to go farther and accept personal responsibility for it. Really, they want him to drop out of the fucking race because of it. I think people are really out of touch with reality in this country. If you usurp democracy, be prepared for death. That's on you. Don't accuse people who are fighting tyrants of being insensitive towards your precious establishment feelings. Well, Judicial Watch is on Hillary now, so there should be developments in the next couple of weeks. The FBI now has to explain to them why they won't hand over certain emails. Either it's because Hillary is under criminal investigation or its because the emails are classified. And the judge in that case was appointed by Bill Clinton, so the whole notion that this is some vast right wing conspiracy sort of just blew up in your face. I don't like Clinton because I can see for myself that she is a corporate shill con-artist who takes bribes from Wal-Street (sic). We don't need her and her pedophile husband in the White House.
And yet you will "automatically assume she is either lying or pandering unless/until proven otherwise". So she's not guilty of any particular thing until proven innocent, just everything. Could you list some of her documented blatant lies and shit she is trying to hide? And again I voted for Sanders but I feel we should look at both sides of Hillary's character before assuming that everything she does is because she is a shrill or pandering. It seems to me politics is a little more complicated than these simplistic statements.
So Hillary has again been proven guilty...yet nothing is done. Amazing, It's so clear Hillary ordered those votes erased, or perhaps did it herself! How does she get away with it? We all know she is guilty until proven otherwise, there couldn't be any other explanation other than Hillary, her personal self, ordered or carried out that discrepancy. We don't need any laws, court system, or ethics investigations...Hilary always does everything illegally possible. Of course we can dismiss these alternate explanations as we can safety assume that Hillary is just up to her usual historic pandering, lying, and shrilling. And as the REAL story is all over the net on various right wing and hate Hillary sites we can go ahead continue to smear her all we want. No need to look further, it's a clear case of America gone wrong, a lying, stealing, pandering bitch who is pretentious enough to think she has fooled us! Make America great again...put Trump in office...it's the only choice we have...
Defending a lying, corporate, puppet politician of the system. You have been exposed. Laughable. You have no credibility at this point.
I meant she isn't guilty as in...she hasn't been found guilty of any crimes. As to the other points....let's not assume that you can't think of specific examples for yourself because I've read many, many of your posts and I'm quite sure that you can. But....for fun....Keystone Pipeline.....first she was for it, then she decided that she just didn't have enough info to have an opinion and then when it was obvious that most of the "left" was against it.....she was suddenly against it. Same thing with fracking.....her state dept. was basically a marketing firm to the world for fracking companies. Oh....but now she's against fracking. She was against many of Bernie's ideas and slammed him for his "idealism" and said his supporters were just young and naive. Surprise!! Now she says she supports some of those exact ideas. I could go on and on and on.....and.....on. Yawn. We haven't even touched on weapons sales, the Clinton Foundation, speaking fees, etc. Are you going to try to tell me that all of those topics and points have just been made up by people who have hated her for years? Are you going to say that this Dem primary election has, in fact, actually been rigged by the Republicans to make her look corrupt and dishonest? That poor little Hillary, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and the DNC are the victims of a massive smear campaign? Bullshit. I can't believe I just wasted the time to even type this shit out.
Trump hasnt been found guilty of any crimes either. Have politics gotten so bad that this is our new litmus test?
So what you are saying is that politicians shouldn't be responsive to the electorate. Hillary was for the Keystone Pipeline but then she found out the electorate didn't want it so she changed her mind. And this is wrong? She re-evaluated her stance, for whatever reason, and decided that maybe the public was right so she changed, and you're telling me this is wrong? Same with fracking. Same with Bernie's ideas. I had thought it was a good thing that Bernie was pushing the party to the progressive left, but you're telling me that the main line Democrats shouldn't change, shouldn't be responsive to the voters? So what you're telling me is that Hillary should be a dogmatist, never change her views or opinions, even if she discovers she is wrong, or that facts have changed, or that public opinion has changed. But maybe you're saying she just changed to get votes? But isn't that the idea of having elections? If you want elected you have to get votes...if you find you're out of step with the electorate you change to match the electorate...I had thought that was what elections were about. Weapons sales, Clinton Foundation? I've looked at those, nothing there. Am I telling you that this stuff is made up by people who have hated her for years? Yes, I am, that's exactly it. A continuation of dirty tricks such as: Whitewater, Investigated by an Independent Counsel, the House Banking Committee (Republican led), and the Senate Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs Committee (Republican led) just this one committee investigation lasted for "300 hours over 60 sessions across 13 months, and taking over 10,000 pages of testimony and 35,000 pages of depositions from almost 250 people.[40], and Hillary was subpoenaed to appear before a Grand Jury. Total cost of all these investigations came to over $70 million. Result nothing. Next we have Travelgate. Result? "The 2000 final Independent Counsel report concluded she was involved in the firings and that she had made "factually false" statements, but that there was insufficient evidence that she knew the statements were false, or knew that her actions would lead to firings, to prosecute her.[193] " Vince Foster. "Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr investigated this, and, by 1999, Starr was reported to be holding the investigation open, despite his staff having told him there was no case to be made.[195] When Starr's successor Robert Ray issued his final Whitewater reports in 2000, no claims were made against Hillary Clinton regarding this.[189] Nothing again! Filegate. Cleared by Independent Counsel Starr and Independent Counsel Robert Ray. Oh how about the Emails? Nothing there yet either. I could go on but you and others like you have already convicted her for past conspiracies that have been proven to be false made up garbage and you continue to present allegations without offering any proof what so ever. Do I see a pattern here? I can't believe I just wasted the time to even type this shit out.
Exactly. I comment on Trump by quoting him and looking at his professed views and policies he has put forth. If I say he's lied I provide the quotes and the sources. I agree he has never been convicted of any crimes that I know of.
Actually, it's worse than that. Trump doesn't claim to be a nice person, a public servant, so that makes everything he's ever done okay. If he had been convicted of a financial crime in the past, I'm not convinced that many of his supporters would care. Evangelicals don't even care that he doesn't appear to be a christian. They just want a Republican in the White House so they can get the Supreme Court to put an end to abortion. They rejected scripture-quoting fanatic Ted Cruz because they didn't think he could beat Hillary.
And there's the main problem with modern politics. It's all about winning. Nobody cares what the actual substance just about getting votes. In any cast it will be real bad shit.
We can go back and forth for weeks (actually...I won't) but I think my point is pretty clear that I don't think she is sincere when she is telling us what she would do as president. You take her at her word, I don't. Fair enough. And you've checked into the weapons sales, Clinton Foundation, etc and there's nothing there? Well....I guess that settles it. What a relief. Can you check into those speeches she gave to the big banks? Hillary says there's nothing to worry about but I'd feel better if we have one of our own HF members just take a peek at the transcripts.....you know.....just so we can put that issue to bed for good.
