Don't get mad. Thank you for responding, I don't think I'll have time enough to respond to all your posts right now, but I'll get to them eventually. First, I voted for Bernie in my state's primary, but if he doesn't get the nod I'm voting for Hillary for a number of reasons. Next, Hillary is under investigation by the FBI for the email deal, but after 11 hours before Congress and nothing found, I'm not real worried about that. I'm thinking it'll go away soon or they'll wait till she gets the Democratic nomination then stir up a bunch of shit, real or made up (swift boating) to try to swing the election. Until then I'm going with innocent until proven guilty. I find nothing, other than Fox news, about the FBI investigating the Clinton Foundation. As far as her term as Secretary of State...I know what she did, solid job. Now on to the lies. I did the Google search for you, as you suggested. Politfacts listed a few lies, nothing very big, find me a politician who's every statement is absolutely correct. Politfacts lists almost as many for Bernie as Hilary. So let's check out the Republican side....well gee, Politfacts lists Trump as the liar of the year. He has 9 pages! Now, the Clinton Foundation.....that is a nonprofit philanthropic organization that earmarks most of its contributions for things like AIDS relief. Nothing illegal there, they take money from lots of people and countries. I'll look at your other stuff tomorrow.
So now we get to the other links you posted with virtually no explanation The first one is an accusation made by Bernie Sanders. It looks legit, although there's not much about it. If anything illegal has been done...we'll see. Meanwhile it looks like politics as usual. Next, I'll just post another link with a different view. And there is this link that gives the entire story behind the coup and Clinton's response. Now this one: I got as far as the disclaimer: ..."the quotes are actually from an article written by James P. Rubin for Foreign Policy entitled “The Real Reason To Intervene In Syria.” Thus, the email is not an email at all, but a published article most likely in Clinton’s inbox by virtue of someone having mailed it to her or having signed up for Foreign Policy’s newsletter. While the quotes in this article are not Clinton’s words nor are they an email communication, the article will remain posted due to the fact that the quotes are indeed real and thus, an important statement coming from one of the premier organizations involved in the creation and implementation of U.S. foreign policy planning." So it's not an email made by Clinton nor to Clinton, it's not her words it's a written article and it just ended up in her inbox...same as it could have ended up in yours or mine. Next: 27 year old Hillary is charged with defending a man accused of rape, she does so to the best of her ability, which was her legal, ethical, and moral responsibility...and the prosecution let him cop a plea bargain. We don't get to hear the tape, and her laugh was apparently about him passing a lie detector test which are notoriously inaccurate and unadmissible in court. Here's a link with no comment: Yeah, tax loophole. Lastly the sniper fire: Do some research on the reliability of people's memory. So thanks for posting all that but I don't see anything that causes me much concern, if you think you're going to find a saint running for President of the Untied States it's no wonder you're disillusioned. All political candidates have warts, none of them are perfect, as I look over the current crop I like Bernie the best but as it dosen't appear he'll get the nomination I'm move on to my next pick which would be Hillary. If Bernie doesn't get the Democratic nomination who are you voting for? Trump? That appears to be the only other person who has a vague chance of winning, or will you just refuse to vote? I believe in making incremental steps if giant ones can't be made and Clinton is certainly much, much, better than any Republican out there. so you guys can call her a scumbag, or liar, or whatever you want...compared to the Republicans she is a saint and I'll take her over them any day.
I always thought the "Ducking Sniper Fire" thing was blown out of proportion. Anyone who has traveled into hostile zones has to get a security briefing that includes all of this sort of thing. The first time I landed in the middle east I had to listen to 2 hours of crap about snipers, mortars and insurgents who might attempt to sabotage equipment (which actually did happen several times). I hear more gunshots in rural Georgia than I ever did over there. However, I never hear really big caliber guns in the US the way I'd occasionally hear them over there. I have a lovely picture of a Toyota Tundra with a twin 14.5mm antiaircraft gun mounted in the bed! I'm sure Hillary got the same sort of boring ass speech. Including what to do the moment anyone says "get down". At the worst it was just a gaff, a molehill to be stretched into a mountain by the press.
Excuse me, I meant the State Department. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/report-state-dept-watchdog-subpoenaed-clinton-foundation-docs-n517076 Clinton accused of stealing billions from Haiti: http://financialjuneteenth.com/hillary-clinton-has-been-accused-of-stealing-billions-from-haiti-should-black-america-support-her/ Clinton Foundation put on watch list of suspicious charities: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/04/27/clinton-foundation-put-on-watch-list-of-suspicious-charities/ http://www.salon.com/2016/03/02/even_critics_understate_how_catastrophically_bad_the_hillary_clinton_led_nato_bombing_of_libya_was/ What world are you living in? Is it nice there? Also, can we please not refer to Politifact as the sole purveyor of all worldly truth? They have their issues too. From the article: Your insinuation that this is just an accusation Sanders is a lie. I think I'm starting to see why you've got no problem with Hillary. Perhaps you are both a little loose when it comes to your integrity. And I'll rebut it with my own, as your link does nothing to refute any of the facts presented here: https://web.archive.org/web/20151002201351/http://cepr.net/blogs/the-americas-blog/the-hillary-clinton-emails-and-honduras Maybe this will be more to your liking: http://newobserveronline.com/clinton-destroy-syria-israel
Clinton on the rape victim: The victim sought "out older men" and "engage[d] in fantasizing," She argued that children of that age tended to "exaggerate or romanticize sexual experience." Yeah, I get it, she was a lawyer. A twelve year-old girl got raped by a forty-one year old man. Maybe you don't realize how disgusting that is. Most people couldn't talk about it and laugh at the same time. Hillary sure can. Your link didn't work. Yeah Hillary and Trump using the same crooked tax loophole so they don't have to pay their crooked taxes. I'll either vote Jill Stein, write in Bernie, or not vote. Though I am considering voting Trump to spite Hillary since she's been stealing elections from Bernie. Oh, I suppose that's just a coincidence, that in all the states where there have been accusations of voter fraud, that fraud has just happened to support Hillary. More links to come.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/02/hillary-clinton-kissinger-vacation-dominican-republic-de-la-renta Clinton and Kissinger Clinton: " “I was very flattered when Henry Kissinger said I ran the State Department better than anybody had run it in a long time." Kissinger: https://theintercept.com/2016/02/12/henry-kissingers-war-crimes-are-central-to-the-divide-between-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-sachs/hillary-clinton-and-the-s_b_9231190.html Clinton's role in Syria.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/clinton-flip-flops-on-coal-now-wants-coal-to-prosper/article/2002208 Clinton says she misspoke...once again. Always misspeaking *cough*cough*lying*cough*
"There is no indication that the State Department watchdog is investigating Clinton herself," from your source. Accusations...any proof? This article states that the Clinton Foundation took in $149 million in 2013 and gave out only $9 million, or 6%, but it turns out this is wrong.....Here is what Charity Navigator said: The Clinton Foundation actually spent 88.3% of their 2013 intake on charitable services and nearly 77 percent of the $8.4 million spent on travel in 2013 went toward program services; 3.4 percent went to “management and general expenses”; and about 20 percent went to fundraising. It would help if you told us what your point was when citing these links...so I'll just cite one back that explains what happened in Libya and how in wasn't all Hillary's fault as you like to try and point out again and again...everything seems to be her fault alone...come on. U.S. Policy on Libya: Hillary Clinton and Obama’s Roles It's raining right now..but we need the water so all is good. Oh, you mean we should look at more than one source!!!!!! lol I see you got the message that all politicians lie, mis-state, or exaggerate to some degree. I have reservations about all the candidates, even Bernie. Please make your point about these links, don't just post a link and then go away without explaining what is in the link, why it matters to your argument, and so on. You have me doing the same thing in reply as you never explain anything and I get tired of reading all this stuff and then I have to figure out what you mean when you post these links and then I have to hunt done the facts that are omitted. It reminds me of Carl Rove's Shift Boating tactics. You post these links that make all kinds of accusations then I have to expend my energy refuting them. And in most cases the links turn out to be a bunch of Republican talking points, misrepresentations, and shear garbage.
No, just her foundation. Which everyone knows is a slush fund. No, just accusations from the Haitian people. I'm not sure why they'd be mad at her: http://news.groopspeak.com/hillarys-state-department-pressured-haiti-not-to-raise-minimum-wage-to-61-an-hour/ "Hillary's state department pressured Haiti not to raise minimum wage to 61 CENTS an hour. http://nypost.com/2015/04/26/charity-watchdog-clinton-foundation-a-slush-fund/ It's not her fault alone, but she is a willing and eager part of a hawkish establishment agenda. Everybody knows Clinton is a hawk. http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/12/hillary-clintons-insane-plan-for-a-no-fly-zone.html Hopefully it doesn't rain too much or the runoff from fracking will get in your drinking supply. No I mean we should not throw unquestioning trust behind established websites and take their trustworthiness for granted. Hillary: 3 Pants on Fire Bernie: 0 Pants on Fire Forgive me for having to lower myself to the childishness of calling someone a liar liar pants on fire, but that's what your esteemed website suggests I do. My only reservation about Bernie is that he takes Trump seriously. Sheer garbage? These aren't Republican sources whatsoever. They're highly credible sources. But it makes no difference to a Hillary apologist like you. Why should I afford you the luxury of an honest debate when you won't afford me one? You have no intention whatsoever of seeing anything ill about Hillary or her behavior, when she is: http://personalliberty.com/watchdog-names-clinton-most-corrupt-politician-of-2015/ "Watchdog names Clinton most corrupt politician of 2015"
The source states that Hillary said that was what she was informed. So what? You seem to know everything about people's motivations, intentions, why they act the way they do and so on, obviously you think Hillary had no compassion for this girl you think she is a monster as you know her most intimate thoughts and motivations. So you tell me, do I realize how disgusting a twelve year old getting raped by a forty one year old is, or not? Which link, they all work for me? Guilt by association? Another link with no comment. It's amazing how simplistically you present your arguments....your argument "It's all Hillary Clinton's fault", she exists in a vacuum..without her the world would be at peace. The world is a more complicated place than that. How the Syrian revolt Went wrong. And here, and here. Read them yourself. Again you believe the Republican B.S. talking points. Clinton released a $30 million dollar plan to help miners last fall and has supported coal miners all along. Coal is going away and that's a good thing. My father mined coal, I grew up on the edge of a strip mine and played in coal dust, piles of coal waste, and in abandoned shafts, I lived by a coal shaft fan near West Virginia a few years ago that ran 24/7 and by a methane plant that sucked methane out of the mines 24/7 also, it blew up a few years before I moved there but they rebuilt it. I knew coal miners, and I've seen mine run off and was there when 65,000 fish were killed in Dunkard Creek in West Virginia when Blacksville #2 mine discharged acid water into the stream. My neighbor was a miner all his life and he always said the mines will screw you anyway they can. Coal mining sucks and has to go. We need to phase them out.
Yes he did. I still don't think he has a chance, but it's important for him to stay in as long as possible to divide Trump's efforts against the democrats.
I may not be a Sanders supporter but I think he needs to stay in all the way to the end and be the one to expose the fact that the DNC establishment is corrupt up the ass with their rigged system in favor of Clinton. In states he wins like Wyoming, he takes home less delegates than Clinton. I don't care what Camp Hillary has to say. If you're not gonna expose the corruption now, when? How much longer do you wanna continue politics as usual scum like the Clintons?
Arrow's Impossibility Theorem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow%27s_impossibility_theorem Yeah ... our voting system is fucked up: on purpose.
I'm done arguing with you MeAgain. You are a Clinton apologist, plain and simple, and likely [personal attack removed].
Changed my reg to Dem from Independent so as to vote for Bernie. Single pay medical and nationalization of big Pharma would REALLY--REALLY help all of us citizens. I notice on various news sites that many replies STILL use the epithet "commies or dirty commies." 1st thing I notice is that those countries are now capitalistic--just as we are. They've gone ALL in on the fastest most efficient way to buy, steal and use resources up as fast as possible for short term gain, rigged elections or NO ELECTIONS. Like Country Joe said---WHOOPEE-WE'RE ALL GONNA' DIE!!
