Climate Change is Accelerating

Discussion in 'Science and Technology' started by Joshua Tree, Sep 22, 2019.

  1. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    I just dont think they work anyway

    You dont need a 10 minute video to relay what in the end is just one or two important bits of information that can be transcribed into a couple of sentences that would take up 20 seconds of the readers time


    On the flip side of the argument though are online "science" magazines that misrepresent a scientific paper in the same way. Always best just to jump straight to the summary of the scientifc paper to see if there is any default paragraph along the lines of more accurate instruments or methods are required in the future to make a conclusion or to at least see the paper is even claiming what the headline in the article linking it appears to be saying
     
  2. Driftrue

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    I don't refuse though.

    I specifically make a point to research all issues as if I am the opposite side than I am naturally inclined. I've done that with climate change more than once. I did it with Brexit. I did it with recycling and no longer bother recycling plastic.

    Yeah, I spend evenings telling my partner this, and why watching it is a waste of time.

    The patronizing sarcasm you constantly use is so unnecessary.
     
  3. Meliai

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    It was actually a few members on hipforums who made me research recycling more.
    Far better to reduce your usage than to recycle
     
  4. Driftrue

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    Like buying New Scientist for the cover story and learning nothing exciting. I stopped reading it.. So I guess any watered down media trying to get sales or views or likes.

    The other thing I hate is 90% of people who make youtube videos seem to talk in the same exaggerated way and facial expressions and just the whole thing is annoying.
     
  5. Driftrue

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    Agreed. I still bother with glass and tins...
    I'd like to see a return to bring-back-container culture.
     
  6. tumbling.dice

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    Actually, I have no intention of watching the video, lol. I have no idea who that dude is. I just noticed that Ottmar Edenhofer was mentioned and Googled him. He's often misquoted by climate deniers as wanting to "redistribute wealth" and such. Edenhofer believes humans are changing the climate but, as I said he is not a climatologist. But neither am I.
     
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  7. Driftrue

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    And with this one line that isn't even correct, you avoid answering the issue of why you'd think we want to think this stuff.
     
  8. Irminsul

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    You should try. Research has indicated that listening to music while trying to work, study etc. can be very beneficial for you.
     
  9. Meliai

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    Nor I which is why I like to defer to people who spend their lives studying this topic
     
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  10. wilsjane

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    But what do we REALLY know on the entire subject, except what we are told by people who have very little scientific knowledge and even less common sense.

    In my opinion, the limit of our understanding is due to the lack of the human brain to comprehend infinity. This leaves us without any understanding of time or distance. When I hear that it all started with a 'big bang', I question, "was that the hundredth bang, or the millionth". ?????

    I find it hard to believe that we are the only intelligent life in the universe, but easy to understand that we may be the only intelligent life at this moment in time.
    Flowers in our garden bloom in the spring for a few months. Does a planet in the universe bloom for about 5,000 years, once every 200 million years. ?????

    Carbon emissions make little sense to me on a global scale, since for reasons unknown, the oxygen level is constant. This can only be as a result of it's reaction with carbon and the balance of animal and plant life.
    Why do we ignore the fact that when areas become oxygen rich, lightning hits the ground and starts huge forest fires, producing more carbon dioxide than the entire human race produces in industry.
    Is this the REAL balancing mechanism. ?????

    Meanwhile, our man made nuclear power stations dump enough waste heat into the oceans to melt tens of thousands of tons of ice every hour. ?????

    Wind farms seem to be the current flavor of the month. But since wind evaporates and cools the oceans, then drops fresh water overland, what are we doing to the world climate by absorbing the energy of the wind for our own use.
    Since the London wind-farms were commissioned in the Thames estuary, rainfall over the south east of the UK seems to have some very odd patterns.
    Is this pure coincidence. ??????
     
  11. Driftrue

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    Good points all through your post, but I wouldn't even repeat this last bit without some evidence it may be so, because Chinese whispers usually ends up creating "facts". Our strange weather seems more likely to be a result of the changing climate than wind farms. Although I did wonder the same thing about absorbing the wind energy like that. We'd be better off if more people thought about where it might lead...

    There is a storybook I love with an analogy using a herd of goats who think it's strange of the man to store food for winter because winter isn't here yet. Then when it is they enjoy the food, but in the Spring they still think the man is odd for starting to store food again.. Because it's not winter.

    Humans are very much like that sometimes.

    My two solutions to all of this are nothing to do with where and how we get power. First, the population needs to decrease worldwide. Legalize euthanasia, encourage women to consider alternatives to motherhood, end poverty by redistributing wealth.

    Second, end capitalism / consumerism.. Make mobile phones that last 50 years, same with tvs etc, make it so we can have these things without needing or mindlessly wanting to replace them every year. Same with furniture and kitchen utensils and just e v e r y t h i n g.. No useless shit produced. No bad quality anything. Suddenly we'd be creating a hell of a lot less STUFF.
     
  12. Vladimir Illich

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  14. Meliai

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/clim...ge-already-here-worlds-oceans-frozen-regions/

    So if the report is wrong, what's the worst thing that could happen if we react to it? We curb emissions? Invest in cleaner energy, in cleaner forms of transportation? We curb our plastic problem? Isnt it better to ere on the side of caution, particular when we're only going to net positive benefits anyways?
    And even if you remove CO2 emissions from the equation..we still know that pumping pollution from factories, from cars, from planes into the atmosphere isnt good for the environment, it isnt good for us to breathe. It seems like common sense to me that all this toxic shit gets trapped in the atmosphere and would have a negative effect on the planet. And there's so much more to it than what were putting into the air. The rivers around here are polluted with coal ash, with e. Coli from sewage run off. These are old Cherokee hunting grounds, these rivers used to be sources of life for water, for food. I wouldnt eat a fish out of the rivers around here now if you paid me. And what about pesticides and herbicides? We have no idea if they're causing bee colony collapse but we should probably discontinue their use until we figure it out because bees are kind of important. We do know pesticide use is making our fields less nutritious

    Humans have their handprints all over this planet. It wouldnt change a thing for me if the world's scientists released a statement tomorrow that CO2 emissions are not causing climate change. I would still think we need to make the same changes.
     
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  15. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    It doesn't work the same for me because when I listen I'm fully absorbed. I do appreciate your wording "trying to..." because music can be a distraction if it's engaging or annoying.

    I certainly can, and sometimes do, put on "background music" that's neither engaging nor annoying and go about other tasks. But I can't actively listen and do something else simultaneously. Trained listening requires full commitment.

    My routine is to take 40-90 minutes a day to concentrate on listening. I started listening (and recording) as a child decades ago and it's been an integral part of my life.

    It helps me cope with the accelerated climate change imagined the world over. I'm glad we generate enough electricity to support my kilowatt conversion music habit.
     
  16. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    We need to be good stewards of our environment.
    But we don't need to throw out the baby with the bathwater.

    "Your baby is perfectly happy;
    He won't need a bath anymore.
    He's a-muckin' about with the angels above,
    Not lost but gone before."
     
  17. Meliai

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    I dont know what that means.
    I mean, I know what the phrase means, I dont know what you're referring to specifically
     
  18. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    Life.
    Live it.
    Do your best.
    Peace.
     
  19. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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  20. Vanilla Gorilla

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