Circumsized or uncircumsized?

im cut, i wouldnt have it any other way, the look of uncircumsized is gross to me, and the loss of feeling doesnt bother me because i never knew it any other way. if and when i have children they will be circumsized, it looks much better, easier maintenance and so forth, i had a bris (im jewish) i dont remember the pain, 8 days old is too young to form memories anyways. as a gay man i wouldnt ever be with a guy that was uncut, its gross to me.
it may be unnecessary to circumsize but so are haircuts and we get those all the time, its an aesthetic thing most of all

 

circumcision is against basic human rights. its torture. having it done early because the kid wont remember is evil. they wont be able to think about what they had and wont be able to question it. religion is no excuse i have several Jewish friends some circumcised some not. if it is aesthetic let the child choose

 

Alright we can what most of the circumcised world does then and have circumcision as a rite of passage at an age where they'll more then remember it.

 

if you don't believe circumcision is torture. try pitting you finger in a vice then having someone rip you fingernails out. do this with each finger and each toe then multiply that pain by 50. and you might come close to how much circumcision hurts the baby. some babies have had heart attacks and thus died during a routine circumcision. the heart attacks were later found to be caused by the pain. the babies heart rate, blood pressure, adrenalin, and Endorphins skyrocket. i was 4 when i was circumcised it was the most painful experience of my life . i have broken my leg and my arm. my arm has been dislocated several times. my circumcision was more painful then all of it.

 

recent polls and surveys, prove that less then 25% of the males in the world are circumcised. and the percentage in the US is the highest in the world

 

Wrong, and wrong. Stop spreading bullshit. Circumcision is a normal tradition in muslim countries and they have the highest rates of it.

This isn't my map, this is from the WHO and UNAIDS



Nobody knows how many men are circumcised, estimates range from 1/6 to 1/3 of men, the WHO puts it at 30%

 

1/5th is 20% and 1/4 is 25%. china, Russia, and india. comprise of almost 2.6 billion people out of about 6.4 billion. about half of the world are men so 3.2 billion men. china, Russia, and india. comprise 1.3 men all uncircumcised. throw in all the other in uncircumcised countries and the dimminshing percentages in the rest of the world and you get between 20 and 30 percent. so i picked 25%

 

Russia doesn't matter, this isn't the Soviet Union anymore, Russia's population is about 135 million, Pakistan, Brazil, Nigeria, America, Indonesia, Bangladesh all have larger populations with Japan near tying.Then take India, India actually has one of the largest muslim populations in the world since while only about 15% of India is muslim, 15% of 1.2 billion is a lot of people. Assuming near all the muslims in the country along with a tiny segement of the genearly population, that makes for nearly 200 million circumcised people in India alone. But I see where you got your number now.

 

The WHO's number makes a lot of careless assumptions, like that all Muslims and all Jews are cut. At least 3% of Jews, and I've heard as many as 20% of Muslims, are intact.

Also note that at least half of Muslims don't cut in infancy, so when you see somebody say 85% of babies are being left intact, or 30% of the world's males are cut, or that 95% of Christian familes don't circumcise, they could ALL be correct.

 

2 of my nephew's got circumcised about a month ago. One I figure would but I was surprised

 

there is no way to count all 3.2 billion men in the world. and the WHO is just 1 small Organization. most likely the WHO numbers in each country are skewed. by how much no one knows. the WHO probably took a sample of people ( a sample can consist of any amount of people) from each region and set that as the percentage for that region. how big were those samples? i have no idea those numbers were never published. so that WHO map can be very inaccurate

 

Yes, so there can in fact be a near 40% circumcision rate. The WHO isn't some small organization, it's the largest inter country health organization in the world that operates in near every country with access to the most information because of its intergovernmental work.. Their efforts have literally wiped diseases off of the face of the Earth. You can't call the WHO some small organization.

 

the WHO have done some impressive things, but they are a small organization. they are under staffed and under funded. if the WHO was as large as you think hiv/aids in africa would be under control. and more people in the world would have clean water to drink.

walmart is a large organization. the Catholic Church is the worlds largest organization.

i was trying to prove that a skewed data set is way to inaccurate to to use. a 20% margin of error is way too high to give a conclusive result. in the next 20 years because of computerized medical records a much better study can be made. with an error margin of about 05%

 

http://drpate.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/throwing-wrenches-at-the-gears/ << "One of the four ethical principles to which we prescribe as physicians is 'Autonomy' – the right of each patient to make informed medical decisions regarding his/her own care. Also within the Hippocratic oath we take is the principle 'First, do no harm.' It is impossible to honor these guiding ideals while performing circumcision or any other elective cosmetic genital surgery on infants and children." >>

 

BigCityHillbilly thats right. but doctors rarely give complete information. and most doctors don't consider circumcision a cosmetic surgery (which it is). most doctors think its healthier for the child to be circumcised (its not any more or less healthy). because they were taught that way.

one of the biggest excuses for infant circumcision is " the baby wont remember the pain or his foreskin". just because a person might not remember dose not make it ok. I think the fact that most people don't remember the pain or there foreskin makes infant circumcision even more evil. because the person wont question circumcision and will do it to there children. you can't learn from what you can't remember (thats why we have history class).

in order for this to change. we need doctors and parents that are brave enough to say no to circumcision. we need good provable information that circumcision is unnecessary and harmful.

 

It's very important that we make a distinction between what a doctor says and what he actually believes. A doctor may TELL you that he believes that circumcision is better for the child. The question is, "does he really believe it ?" The doctor would have to be a complete idiot if he really and truly believes that circumcision is better for the child, and that's why - in my opinion, at least - the doctor doesn't really believe in the truth of what he's saying when he says that circumcision is better for the child (assuming, of course, that that's what he's saying).

Doctors are taught to lie to their patients all the time when they attend medical school.

It reminds me of something that somebody once told me.

I was told that "MD" stands for "Mendacity Degree."

I confronted my own dear mother about the subject some years ago.

Mother: "You don't remember it."

"I remember it every time I look at my penis," was my response.

The existence of intact men is proof that circumcision isn't necessary. If you're looking for evidence that circumcision is harmful, you can read Thomas J. Ritter's book ("Say No to Circumcision") or you can simply go to your favorite internet search engine, where you can look into a body of work that was compiled by a neurologist named Taylor.

Taylor conducted a detailed anatomical study into the nature of the tissue which is destroyed by circumcision.

 

welp, CIRCUMCISE ALL PENISES.

 

What an ignorant statement.

Do you also support the idea that all women should be forcibly raped ?

 

lol you just compared rape to male circumcision.

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both are done by force without the persons consent. and there is no reason for either to be done