Circumsized or not?

if god intended mankind to fly, he would have given us wings. but we havent wings, but still we fly....

 

I do have a penis, and have played with it and with a number of other guys'.

One of the advantages of an uncut penis is that no lube is required to play with it. The skin that nature provided slides back and forth quite smoothely, making for a comfortable session to relieve myself.

Sort of a cliché that the guy has to get lotion or vaseline to go off and amuse himself, but not so with an uncut penis. Damn glad I'm goy (no I didn't misspell gay) and born before the "hygiene" freaks took control in the '50s.

 

Oh, so man does not rely entirely on natural proclivities? Then what was all that specious interjection about HIV rates with circ versus uncirc men?

Being circumcised is not a recommended preventive against contracting HIV sexually. Wearing barrier protection is.

The most Rabi or Mulla blessed cut penis is still at the same risk as any intact cock unless it is wrapped in latex or polyurethane when fucking.

 

this is something i actually wrote comments against, just to make sure you dont mistake me for someone else. btw, spit works too, not just lotion or vaseline. and when i was uncut, i still liked the hands to be lubed with something

 

Just some quick info- Judaism and Islam vary quite a lot when it comes to the practises of circumcision. For Judaism, circumcision is a requirement, for Islam it is only an encouragement, all be it a strong one. Unfortunately there just isn't enough time to wait for a Jewish baby to decide if they want to be circumcised or not, since 8 days old is the message from God.

Anyway, far from the actual act of cutting- Being cut (meaning- being a person who was once circumcised) is pretty damn neat. There's nothing wrong with it. I dislike circumcision for the act of doing it painfully and/or unwillingly to the body of someone too weak and small to decide whether or not they want their genitals permanently modified. But the men I know of who are cut (although every circumcised male I know was cut at a time in their lives that they don't remember, and in a safe hospital environment) don't regret it- And I know a lot of them. They like it, as do their girlfriends and wives. As I said before- A cock is a cock. They're all gorgeous. I happen to LOVE a cut penis. I fucking love (or love fucking, both work) my boyfriends. As it happens, we don't need lube for a good play or a hj. Perhaps his penis doesn't slide back and forth as easily as an uncut penis does, but it's fine like that. Lube does add a slippy variety though, but then it was favoured (by us both) when practised with an ex who was uncut. So, other than the thought of the excruciating circumcision itself, cut/uncut is a just preference. It's always going to be good.

 

i had myself circumcised when i was 20.... and I tell you, i know what I am speaking of. like it or not, personally I feel my sex is better circumcised than not - and i have had 6 years sex without being circumcised. you can claim what you want, you dont KNOW. I know, and i strongly disagree with you saying that there is something "missing". but hey, why dont you simply do it? then come back and tell us...

 

A safe hospital environment. Meaning an environment instructed by medical professionals that know what they are doing, not in a back-alley clinic. I also said I dislike circumcision for the pain and unwillingness of doing it to a baby. I don't mind you quoting my words, but it's almost like you quoted a segment and twisted my words. See how I refered to it as 'excruciating circumcision' and in an earlier post in the same thread I also said I wouldn't do this to my own child.

Muslims believe that 7 years is the correct age for circumcision, though lots now believe it should be done at 7 days and some believe it should be done at puberty- so 12/13 years as you said. The variety is down to culture and tradition but it isn't like Judaism where a baby HAS to be circumcised as a coming into the religion. Islamically it is suggested but not forced. My boyfriend is Muslim and was circumcised as a week old baby in a hospital, as have the other males in his family- at least of his generation and younger. I'll raise my children as Muslim, and my sons will stay intact with their foreskin.

Some men are circumcised much older and have a taste of sex as an uncircumsised man and circumcised, as GleichKnallts has and he prefers it. It's not about men (and their wives/girlfriends/partners) comparing themselves to something they will never know, it's about enjoying what they have. My boyfriend doesn't sit there trying to compare his cut penis with that of someone uncut. Who would? Instead, he was cut and he likes it as do I.

 

restoring my foreskin was a great thing for me sensation wise, it's not really fair to compare infant circumcision with adult circumcision, adult circumcision often leaves more of the inner foreskin as well as you have had the protective foreskin for the entire growth and development of the penis

 

I haven't read the bullshit is some time. I see it continues as it always has. Interesting though. The posts from women seem to be far more mature. It's the males who have the emotional posts. I guess with any social issue there are always people at the far ends of the spectrum. What does bothers me is the misinformation. The hygiene thing is completely stupid. I am intact and there is absolutely no issue with hygiene. Clean people simply wash and we don't even think about it. I mean your in the shower and you retract and clean. I also wash my hair, my ears and my knees and all the other parts. Hey women have greater issues with hygiene only because they are built different. Would you be interested or turned off by a women who did not keep herself clean? Stop with the stupidity already.

As for HIV; I as an intact male think there is a higher incidence among males who are not circumcised. In some parts of the world it may be a good thing but I don't think the whole world needs to adopt this as a strategy. Common sense, condom use and fewer partners is the answer. We may not like it but it's true.

As for sensation; do you really think you can surgically remove tissue that sensitive and think has no effect? Give you head a shake. Some guys have had it done and say that it didn't change them. Others say they regret it and that sex went from "colour" to "Black and White". I think you need to put emotion aside and THINK. It's tissue with blood and nerves and this does relay (it must!) sensation to the brain. This can't be debated. If it does not have sensation then why is circumcision painful?

Also in the case against infant circumcision this tissue is adhered to the glans. It is forcibly torn away during the circumcision. Hmm, seems like nature wanted it there for some reason and this doesn't even address the issue of individual personal rights. Consider this; tattoos seem to be very popular these days. Personally I hate them but to those who want them I support their right to do this. But I think we would all agree that to tattoo a baby is unthinkable. Let's give this baby a full sleeve tattoo now so he can look tough like daddy. Hmm, I don't think so.

If an adult male wants or needs to have it done. I fully support his decision to do so with out slightest ridicule. It's like said, there is not debate. It's his body.

Well now I've done it haven't I. I've entered the bullshit.

Personally I like the way women think about it. Most just don't care. They just want you to be honest, passionate, sexy and clean if you cut or uncut.

 

Actually, you made a very logical and dispassionate response that makes sense.

Loved your example about "I want my son to look like daddy." Altho little girls in many cultures do have their ears pierced at an early age - why don't boys get PA's?

 

I know a Muslim family & have done for many years - long before his marriage was even arranged. As such I can say, for certain, that his sons were both circumcised when they were only a matter of weeks old - something I still consider to be barbaric.

If the circumcision doesn't take place until they are, say 14 - 16, then at least they might have some say in the matter.

Circumcision should only be performed for medical reasons, or when the man is of suffficient age to make the decision for himself.

 

Thanks Shale and Pineman. It all just seems so clear and obvious to me.

 

This map is the stupidest argument I've ever seen. You completley fail to take into context all the other social reasons. In fact Muslim countries and Israel seem to have the lowest rates, if anything your map just proves the opposite if we really want to use it.

 

there has been some research out there that speaks of the foreskin having a higher density of the HIV virus it in, but i call bullshit!!!! we here stand as testimony to evolution's latest work, so how long have the foreskin been around? in america, we have an extremely low rate of HIV/transmission, and if you were to look into the likelyhood of transmission, you'd be surprise! i'm uncircumcised and i keep my roll of quarters unrolled at all time.

 

I have not been cut ... and I don't plan to get cut; people will try to use the logic of its healthy etc etc etc but thats alll bullshit - the truth for cutting babies is that its a tribal tradition and by that I mean religious... a mark of someones tribal position in life

think of it like cutting the ear off or leg off a cow and saying that it makes them run faster or hear better ...

it makes no logical sense.

 

in a bit: sorry I didn't understand your post in the least. I tend to agree with your opinion but I don't think your facts are a 100%.

It could be that the foreskin can harbour the HIV virus. Just about any tissue in the body can. I do think there is evidence that a specialize fat cell actually can act as a conduit for the virus. In a way this speaks volumes about the highly specialized nature of this body part. They actually use the foreskin from newborns to culture and grow skin graft tissue. It's pretty special stuff.

Oh, and America has a high rate of HIV/transmission is spite of having a high rate of circumcision.

 

lol

 

i chose not to circumcise my son after listening to what you all had to say (along with some research) i appreciate the honest opinions i got here

 

MissBHave: And I think your son will appreciate that he has a Mom who can think. It seems to me that it is the women who are making positive social changes in the world. From the simple acts such as yours to the great sacrifices of the grandmothers in Africa who are raising thousands if not millions of orphans.

Apparently Nateman live in a hole. I believe him.