Church of the Good Earth 1963 and Beyond

Let me not be understood. Nails I love you and except for drastic circumstances cannot see myself taking sides against you. You have almost singlehandedly brought this family back together. For that we are all grateful. My comments were meant generally, We can have a vritual family meeting on line and should someone act so bad in either the forum or the FB page anyone can call for a vote on how to deal with he problem. I haven't been on the Forum for a while so I didn't see the (for want of a better word) feud explode with Quennie. I don't know if this was new or an extension of 40 year old arguments. But I don't thinlk it's right to state that "if you don't agree with me 100% then you are against me," Hopefully the years have taught us not to sweat the small stuff. But if Rita is right and this is bette than a soap opoera than we need some rewrites. It might be good to have the each of the feudists state (both on FB and the Forum) , and with expletives, what is bugging them about the other(s). We can then all consider the issue and reccommend consequences.

MOIRE IMPORTANTLY I want to see you all at the Oregon Country Fair in July

And I leave you with this American Mantra. Om Om on the range

 

"My comments were meant generally, We can have a vritual family meeting on line and should someone act so bad in either the forum or the FB page anyone can call for a vote on how to deal with he problem."

"…anyone can call for a vote on how to deal with he problem."

Is anyone calling for a vote?

I have yet to see anyone call for a family meeting, here on this forum. Hasn't happened.

I am not on the C.I.A.'s server's website called facebook. I do NOT go there. Did you hear anyone there call for a family meeting? Please do let me know as I'm not there.

If we do have a meeting then I must insist that the meeting be held here. And for just that reason. Also, because, as Ranger has pointed out, if you do a search for "The Church of the Good Earth" you only get this place. Not facebook. So, a meeting should take place here and not there.

Please fill me in, Zev. I'm family. Has anyone in the family called for a family meeting?

Oh, by the way, Saro is not family. There is no 40-year-old arguments simply because no one really knew her back then. She didn't live in any GE house and she never hung out with any of the GE women (just ask Ellen, Cheryl, Rita, or whoever) or with any of the GE men. I only saw her twice the whole time that I live in 5 GE places. And those two times were on the street. So to the best of my knowledge there couldn't possibly be any old arguments. She didn't know anyone to argue with.

This all started back in August when we were attacked simply because I decided NOT to allow her to have access to OUR UN copyrighted material. My 100 pages of finished edited laid out and ready for press 580 hours of labor. And 75 pages the Mary's finished UN copyrighted Authorship and months of hard labor. As well as the rest of us and our collective REAL property.

Why?
Because:
1) no one actually knows her.
2) she said that she was writing her own book and wanted to be given access to our property for free. AN EXTREMELY RED FLAG.
and 3) she was way too pushy about it all.

In this forum you can pick this all up before, including, and after pages 309 and 310. It's FUN reading. Do enjoy.
http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=112058&page=309
http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=112058&page=310


She left back then. In August.

She admits to us all in an e-mail, that I can send to you that, she has been stalking us ever since August. (in her own words. "Stalking"). And now she is back with a vengeance. Full ON.

From what I see of her writings her only goal is to get everyone to hate Nailcakes, and then to get everyone to hate me, and then to endear herself to everyone, as some kind of a darling. She's basically looking for Love by attacking people.

She has lied about almost everything. And she has stated that she is banned from posting here, when she can post here and that has never happened. I'm evil, Mary is evil, we are all a bunch of losers. All of us. (all Losers. see her e-mail. Posted pages back now.) Including you too. Me, Ranger, Rita, Chris, you name it. We are all losers.

If that is the case than why does she keep coming to hang out with losers?
Why does she keep sending E-mails to Me and to Mary telling us how horrible we are, like we really wish to hear her tell us that?

Nothing that she does makes any kind of sense. It is all Rage. No, she may not see and steal our property. We collectively said NO. And She is still Raging about it since August. I don't know her and I DO NOT TRUST HER. Have zero reason too.

Do you know her, Zev? Cause none of us do. Ranger says that he use to see her with Billy back and when. That's cool. I didn't know Billy, ether.

Help me to get it, Zev.

She (Saro) wants to split us all up, with a vengeance. (The whole family.) Now Chris doesn't like us. He's never coming back. Mary is now hurt by Chris and others. She (Mary) says that Absolutely no body has her back in any of this. Now Mary is missing for more than a week now, and may never come back. Like, the from May 2nd. http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=112058&page=440 I am no longer here any more because I feel that if that is really all that it takes (Chris and others of you) to split us all up, than I really don't know any of you people.

One person creates vengeful havoc, and the whole group of supposedly real tight friends, all split. All dissolve.
I do NOT allow myself to hang out with people like that. I only hang out with solid people. Real people. Reliable people who Love.

I don't know folks who go, "Well I Love you a lot, But I'm gone." That is so very wrong. On so very many levels. And I sure ain't spending $1,200 for round trip gas to be with anyone who would drop us all, just like that. Why? — OCF? I'll stick with Mary. She's Real.

So, I've not been here for 7 days now.
Because as YOU say, Zev, if you ain't with ME 100% against someone who is actively destroying the family, and actually succeeding at it very well, then YOU AIN'T WITH ME AT ALL. Just like Chris.

My people KNOW that they can count on me. I like to at least delude myself into the idea that I can count on others who says that they are family.

 

I doubt that Shameless_Heifer will ever be back here. Nailscakes started this forum 8 years ago, and she brought all of us together. All of us. But I think that she's done. Faithlessness. And because of that, she's had it.

She's got grandkids, a life, work to cover, and a husband in the hospital and serious. She doesn't need to try and support people who she can't even trust. Love you Cakes. :sunny:

 

Rita here.... Thank you Kenny for your detailed post. In my opinion and I have told Mary and Ranger this several times, "Just stop giving this situation energy, all that does is feed her plus we don't need this drama in our lifes,we all are having to deal with our own personal stressors plus the fact that we are too old for this bullshit..now really, only old straight people do this! and I for one am not straight nor do I think anyone of us is...:love::grouphug: btw, I am now worried about Lynn but to late to call Texas, will call Mary 1st thing in the morning.

 

oh yeah, forgot to tell you all, had a real nice conversation with Neighbor and his wife Thresa today. They have a flower and tree nursery in upstate New York and he told me that I could give their phone# to any of you who would like to call him.

 

Rita,
She told me that Lynn got Ambulanced to a bigger hospital located in Tyler. She said that she's be gone for days. So, I would guess that the house phone is a no go. Right? Ya could try though.

Yeah, you could e-mail me Neighbor's number. I'd give him a call. Cool.

 

I will not desert Nails and hope that she doesn't leave us. Nor will I let this kind of dispute split the family up. As I already stated, I didn't know how this whole thing blew up. Had I known what you just laid out, I would have called first for Queenie to cool it and second for a family meeting to deak with it. As an attorney, I understand why the uncopywrited material was not shown to anyone who had not contributed to it. Again my comments were meant in general and were not written in response to any past action but for the future in order to avoid the unpleasantness of the past. I did know Saro when she was with Billy. They were GE but in one of the many supporting outposts that Stacey & Cyril had established for busines reasons. However it is obvious now that she lied when she said she was banned from here or FB and it is also obvious that she is on a hurting(to herself and others) ego trip. There are better things to spend our energy on than this.
More importantly, I am just now finding out that Lynn is in hospital and I will say prayers for his recovery. (unfortunately unlike FB I don't get all the posts on the forum sent to my email account -I don't know why?)
I will try to be on Forum more in the furture.

I'm glad that the Cyril's daughter mystery has been solved.

FYI I had my 2nd cataract operation and am now walking around without glasses. Eyes getting better. Did just spend 5 days in hospital wth an infected foot. Now its just the sciatica and diabetes to deal with. No sweat.

enough for now. Getting ready to go to FLA to see my son graduate form the U. of Miami. even though he says he hates me. It seems everything I ever did or said was wrong. maybe so but I tried.
Later

 

I was just thinking of phoning you to see when your next up coming eye surgery was going to be. Glad for you that it all worked out well. Congrats.

Nails told me that she never did ban her from here. And Saro did say that she had been reading here everything since back in August. Said that she was just not posting.

Later on she stated that she was banned here and couldn't post. How Curious! I believe that she still doesn't know that Cakes owns this forum. (i.e. that she could easily ban her. How silly to mess with the one person who can ban you. Even unknowingly.)

I hope that your son hugs you and greets you with open arms. Our best wishes to him. What is his field?

 

You're thinking that a family meeting may be the thing.

Okay, wlzev, I call for a family meeting then.
Right Here. Right Now.
So, now you have to drive over to Dade County and buy a laptop and give it to Stacey so that he can run the meeting. You're a very nice guy, for doing that.

I call for a meeting.

Not to do with Cakes

Against Saro from ME. Just the two of us. Mano y Fe-Mano.

Here's the facts.


This whole Saro saga runs from 8-14-2011 page 309
http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=112058&page=309

It goes on forever. Then she goes away.

Then she comes back all huggy and kissy and does a big long Apology on 8-21-2011 page 319
http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=112058&page=319

And we all Apologies back to her through the bottom of page 320 which is 8-22-2011
http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=112058&page=320

Nothing from 8-22-2011 until 4-30-2012.

Then out of the blue I get a CC of an e-mail to Ranger that starts out with a ton of shit ripping at Cakes on Date: April 30, 2012
And she rips on all of us and calls us all a bunch of losers.

And on May 5th I get another where she states all of these nasty things that I said to Cakes, which I didn’t say. Lies. I went back and read through the posts that she was talking about. I never said what she said that I said. Just blatant lies to Split us all UP.

Let's GO with this Meeting!
It's ON!

Regardless, How are you going to enforce any meeting resolves with her. There is nothing that you can do.
How?

 

Benjamin majored in anthropology and Judaic Studies. What that will mean in the real world, I do not kinow. As it should be, only the future will tell.
As to Saro/Queenie the posts speak for themselves. Someone has problems and it's not Nails or Kenny. However, whileI won't give anymore energy to this non-issue any more, I do think we need to have a family meeting to plan for the future in a more organized way. If we can't all get to Oregon or any one place we can try do it on line (with or without the Oms). What say you all? Mary you have become our matriarch what say you?

 

Hummm, That could be a problem. Anthropology. I mean, you have to get really lucky while digging. Find a new type of pre-human. And than Southerby's is on the upper East Side. You've made your fortune. Or same neighborhood, the Museum of Natural History. But less money.

How is he with a shove?
Just kidding.

I'm thinking, Judaic Studies, maybe a consultant or something?

There is teaching. Cultural Anthropology. But I vote for Beach Bum. It is Florida after all. Humm, Florida, Gigolo? No let's not go there.

Yeah, I see what you mean. I was a Fine Art Major, with a Drama minor. Not many listings in the Want Ads for those either. He'll be Okay. In this economy there's nobody hiring anyways.

It's best to start your own business, when know one is hiring. He'll make it.

 

Hi Kenny, Nails, Zev ET AL. I am a bit confused about the situation.. as I have not dumped you, Mary, Zev or anyone under the bus. I did make a long post (Kinda trying to say what Rita was able to say in her great one sentance post a page or 2 back), I do not feel we should give this ANY ENERGY... If we just move on and do not push bad shit then we will be OK.

I said I was out of here to make a point of how we will fall apart if we continue on this Vein!! ALSO Kenny, RIGHT Around the same time I said that... I sent you a story....I THOUGHT that would insure you that I was still around just tired of the FORUMN/SOCIAL NETWORK ability to be silly!

Shit there is enough REAL SHIT JAPPENING to all of us that needs COSMIC ATTENTION.

What people say on these public/semi public fourmns does not even need to be read! you can just pass over them!! Do not FEED IT AMMO!.

Since P. Bob has show up I have posted and I also wanted him to know some stuff about Mary. I KNOW HE is who he is as he would have never have known what I asked him it it was not him so sometimes we just take it as it is and then move on.

Zev and I saw each other last year and I am not sure if we even recoginazied each other but the PAST CAME FLOODING BACK to both of us and we just had a GREAT TIME WHEELCHAIRING ABOUT mixing what we remembered about the past and made the CURRENT a GREAT EVENT!

Rita is the most correct here IGNORE the bad shit!!

Peace and Love to all and i do not want to argue just want to enjoy the fact SOME of us are STILL HERE!!

Peace and Love TO ALL
wickwah/Chris

PS Kenny...We know what happened back when the decisions were made and that was that..... RIGHT! Why let anything alter that?? Just move on down the road and do not let this social network stuff become the reason for sillyness (MY OPINION ONLY) and I understand when you are the one being attacked it is not silly! BUT these are just posts and Kenny you and Nails Have protected us so I have been fine with that!! I just was tired of the daily diatribe that seemed to only grow bigger!!

I THINK that if we learned anything we should be able to not let this get under our skin!

RE: Billy (Billy Vega as I recall) .. I just remember what went down then and i remember that and do not let any current issues get in OUR WAY!

The inclusion of fussing and fighting will only stop everything in their tracks so WITHOUT throwing and STONES or KNIVES FOR THAT MATTER this does not need to go on this way. We are protected AT LEAST I feel protected or I would not have sent you that stuff Kenny. AND Nails knows I go the distance ask her about the GOODSTOCK BS both her and I went through to only be left on our laurals when it came time for others to hold up their end, I had her back and I KNOW she knows that.

Rita has presented the needed wisdom here for the "RIGHT NOW" lets do not give it any energy!

WE SHOULD ALL KNOW THAT WITHOUT ENERGY WHATEVER IT IS THAT NEEDS THE ENERGY WILL FADE AWAY!

Kinda long PS eh!!

 

I Like Zev, just read that Lynn is in fact is a hospital! I TOO am sending any energy I can muster for a fast and full recovery!! And Cakes give him plenty of love as he has been by your side in REAL LIFE and he needs you now

ZEV congrats on you son and I too have had a son tell me he HATES me and it lasted for a couple of years! He knows I love him and he lives across the STREET!!! But they deal with their feelings different than us I suppose.....I KNOW that they love us anyway!
peace brother and I do hope we are togather again this year!

TC all
Peace and Love
wickwah/Chris

 

Kenny and all my GE brothers and sisters;

I have reviewed all the posts and here is what I think will bring this matter to a conclusion.

While I certainly would like Stacey to take part in solving this debacle, we don't need him to have a family meeting. We are a family of equals whose actions gain, or lose, us the respect of the family.
However I would suggest that before we call a meeting, I see if Saro will apologize to you, Nails and the family for losing her cool. Nails has already said that her love for the family extends to Saro as well. If an apology is tendered and published here and on FB then the matter is done and over. If not, you or I can call for a family meeting to invite & vote on suggestions as to how to react (actually banning her from the forum and the FB group are at least one way to enforce sanctions). if you would like to contact outside the forum or FB you can reach me at 7178624-7788 or wlzev@aol.com

I ask now for all of you to give me your reactions to my suggestions and/or your suggestions as to what to do. Also tell me how long I should wait for suggestionsbefore taking action? Keep in mind that back in the"good/bad" ole days instant reactions without thought often led to unpleasant consequences.

With love and respect
Your Brother ZEV

 

No Chris,

What I feel is betrayal. A breach of trust.

There is no Hippie Trippie middle ground, when people are punching and beating on you. That becomes flight or fight time. And how are you supposed to do flight when they are e-mailing directly to you? How do you do flight when she’s standing in the middle of your living room, on facebook or on here? This is OUR HOME.

And then all of your friends and supposed family go and bail on you, when you really need them the most.

Someone finally showed to me, what Saro said on facebook about Mary. It was a ton of really bad shit. You don’t know and you don’t want to know. That keeps you antiseptic. Your shit don’t stink.

So, then you are all, like,

And you’re whole post gets all Holier than thou, at US. ALL Holier than Shit.

Like, you people aren’t “Peace and Love” enough for me to hang out with. So, I’m out of here.


So, the family is under attack, and you go and leave the house ‘cause you don’t want to be on the dishwashing and cooking list that is taped on the refrigerator door, after crashing with us all, for three days. Won’t even help to take out the trash or the recycling. So, thumb back to Oregon, just like you’ve always done before. Just, bail on us all. We’re not “flowers and beads” enough for you. It’s an annoyance. A minor discomfort. A bother. You are, too good for us. You can’t hang out with those people.

So, I’m really calling you on your shit. Now. I want a family meeting on Wah.
He’s too good for us. He bails. He’s not a bro. He just dumps us. And runs. That’ NOT cool.

I read everything that she wrote. She rip on me on facebook and my Lady from GE ’73 jumped on her and told her that it’s not fare to rip on people who are not even on facebook to defend themselves. And she quit it, just because one sole person stood up, for someone. She stopped. All it took was one. Any one. Yet out of twenty, no one stood for Nailcakes. NO ONE. That is just FUCKED. NOT ONE. Shame on you all. As Stacey use to say.

She was unceasing on Mary on facebook. In front of dozens of family members, who had no idea of what this was all about and of who this women was. I you want to deride us for defending ourselves in front of the rest of our family against an unknown crazy person who was never family and is not trying to be family now, then you go ahead and jump on are shit. No body stood up for us. Go ahead and bail on us. I’m going to stick up for my sister, stick up for my whole family (of as she calls us all “Losers”), and stick up for myself, and stick up for you and Zev as some of the Losers. I’ve got your guys’ backs. But where are you?

You think that you are exempt from any of this, do you? Do you really? All that I need to do is to make up some terrible fake e-mails and say that they came from you, and then send them off to Saro. She has your e-mail address. Then she can go crazy and jump all over your ass in public! How would you like those apples? We’ll see how much you like it.

Would you like me to do that for you so that you can have a taste of it?

Then others can tell you to not give it any energy. Turn the other cheek. When you get spread all over facebook in front of everyone, as being the worst human on the face of the Earth. And then everyone believes what is said about you. Because there was no response to it. NOT COOL. And then NO ONE STOOD UP.

After all, you have painted your own self as not really being Good Earth. You just crashed there 3 times a year, and bailed when it was time to carry out the recycling. I’m not sensing any allegiance here and any friendship. Doesn’t sound all to family, to me.

We can only know your heart by your own words and deeds. How would you like us to view you? Tell us. Show us.

Are you us, or are you just here when there’s a joint going ‘round?



This is you:

 

That all sounds well and good, but she already apologized once before, and that turned out to be as worthless as a treaty between the United States of America and any native American tribe.

She apologized and then she vanished. Back in August. In hear own words she stalked us all of this time rather than posting anything. All of this time she was seething. And now in May, nine months later, she came back with a seething vengeance, totally launching into Cakes out of the blue.

What good is an apology?



From 8-21-2011:

All of these locations are posted above.

You can't do anything with a person like this.

 

She has repeatedly stated that she wants to read "the stories" so that she can remember peoples name and their faces. There are no names in our stories. And there are no pictures of any people to put the names to.

Just this statement alone is a total spy/ cop sounding thing to say.

Cyril's Little Girl sure got treated like some kind of a spy. And yet a lunatic, heroin addict is somehow trustworthy. I don't get that one.

You were ALL with me back in August, when it came to protecting OUR property.
If you go and read back, then you will find that she was particularly enraged by that one E-MAIL that I posted, which, thanked me for protecting us. She said that I made the e-mail up.

On page 312 she wrote:

SEE original posting of an e-mail:
"Quote another author with regard to this:"
Halfway down the page.
http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showpost.php?p=6964296&postcount=3097


I NEVER DEVOLGED WHO THE AUTHOR OF THAT E_MAIL IS.

I could just tell her!

 

I would NOT be bothered to take the time to write all of this stuff, if I didn't care.
And conversely…

 

Kenny! DUDE I will cover your back! DAMN! I also will cover Nails back and I thought she knew that from all the bs she and I went through before (I think it was before you were here) on the whole Goodstock BS! Shit that one cost me money and reputation to my Company but it was way cool and I stood with Nails??

Since I do not Facebook I did not see any of the stuff you speak of. I did recieve the same e-mail as you and others from the person in question. Yep you called me on my shit I suppose?? But I think that when I have ever been asked or able I have put out my hand to help or my arm to pull the one falling up!

I suppose since I did come and go so so OFTEN what I witnessed was very different than those who lived the daily life! BUT if at any time any of my STP flo who became part of the Good Earth (and thus GE my EXTENDED FLO/FAMILY needed my help on a serious issue I TRIED to be there not run. From the first visit in 69 to the last visit in 75 weather it be addition of Upper/Lower Cole, to the Oak St house or supporting the taking back of the White/Underhouse from the junkies, if I was asked to help I did. Very small actions on my part TO BE SURE I suppose but when asked to watch a corner for someone while they go do something else/get food for some house, stand in force for whatever was happening at street level when I was there I stood with the "FLO" did the watch, did drop off/ provide food, give cash.

I also DID not ever ask for any one to count me in as I know I was always welcomed.

My views may be a tad different than SOME is since I was STP Roots I did not become a solid HOUSE member to any house.

The Changes from 69 my first visit to 75 my last visit were VERY LARGE. As I am sure you know there was a lot of GOOD that was taken advantage by SOME that became BAD and in some ways even UGLY! BUT I do not want you to feel abandoned.

In closing I approve of your calling me on my "SHIT" and I hope that the energy expended on this can turn into something on the WHITE magic side vs the BLACK Magic side.

If you are in a FIGHT at this moment what do you need specifically?? If it is a call to those out there who want to crush a brother or sister AND let them know that it will not be tollerated then here it is!
"To any and all who may want to hurt any of us (AND WE KNOW WHO WE ARE) then do not expect anything but unity of purpose. As the saying goes if you fuck with the BULL you will get the HORNS!

In closing at the same time if we can defuse BS by ignoring it, giving it or them NO POWER then it or THEY will have no power to fight any of us!!

I TRULY MEAN THIS
peace and love.....BUT (and as a runner with the STPers, were not docile hippies we were "SHITTY TOILET PEOPLE" if needed, SOLID TOGATHER PEOPLE when in mass, STRONG,TUFF,AND PERSONEL if alone, and would hope for Serenity Tranquility, and Peace if you really understood the concept!

Hang tuff you are not abandoned.

Different note..Nabor I know you also knew my sister Candy well way back when. She too has now passed! I hope you and yours are very well!

 

Tillerwah,

You see how clearly you can be understood when you start talking and quit lurking? Now, just like that you are solid. Love YOU, Man. And You know it, too.

Zev, now he can call for a Family Meeting on Me. My turn. I'm not perfect. I demand a turn.
So, Wah, call me on my shit, or I'll feel left out. NO Not you Ranger!

Wah, quit being such a damn stranger. Be Here Now.