Christians are hypocrites

Murder is wrong, therefore the death penalty must be wrong in the eyes of God I think.

 

quote: If you use religion as an umbrella for not thinking this can only be a bad thing

Very well put!

*twiddles thumbs* still waiting for a christian justification for the death penalty.....

 

You could be waiting a while...

 

Yeh this is the thing... to call yourself a christian means you follow christ... Therefore you can;t pick and choose from what he says... You either follow his words to the book and ARE a christian or you're not!

Same goes for any religion.

You can't say "I'm a Christian, but I think Jesus was wrong with this particular thing so I'll ignore that"

It defeats the whole purpose surely.

 

Unfortunately, my friend, it is almost impossible for us to follow all of the precepts of being a Christian. That's why we're all sinners, it's just that some of us are sinners saved by grace, meaning that if we believe that Christ died and rose for us, and we do our best to live according to His Example, we will be saved from eternal damnation.

There is no such thing as a Perfect Christian, because there is no such thing as a Perfect Person. We're all flawed in some way or another. Fortunately, G-d knew that, and made a way to make up for our inequities.

 

Well thats very conveniant isn't it....

Reminds me of The Godfather...

 

You're right, you can't. However, you can pray about the issue at hand, and perhaps make your way towards attaining that virtue/knowledge/willpower which you lack.

We are all works in progress. Again, it's unfair to expect a being that is inherently imperfect to always act correctly.

 

I think my argument would be....

That a true gracious god really wouldnt care whether you believed in him or not, as long as you tried your best.

By what you're saying would you agree that if there were two identical people both commited the same crime, both sorry for that crime and tried to live the best they could, but one was a christian, that the christian would get into heavon and the non christian wouldnt?

God would have to be pretty petty to do that I think... and I don't think he is

Yeh I have to part ways with you there, because my belief on what sin is and the bibles belief is pretty different at times.

it;s a sticking point

Love Clairexxx

 

Well, convienience is a matter of opinion, isn't it?

It's not very convenient if you don't believe. I personally would find it maddening to know that I could be saved by something so simple, and wasn't.

For me, it's a matter of forgiveness and compassion, not convenience.

 

You're entitled to your opinions... I understand how you feel. Consider this, though.

If I gave my life for an individual I loved, and they chose not to speak to me and deny me completely, I think I'd have a hard time forgiving them also.

If you suffered and died for a loved one, and they chose not to even talk to you, how would you handle it?

 

I think everyone is forgeting what the conversation was between Jesus and the Thief when they were hanging on the cross...And he said to Jesus,"Remember me, Jesus, when you come as king!" Jesus said to him,"I promise you that today you will be in paradise with me."

 

I do a lot of things in my life that I do purely for others that I get no thanks or recognition for. A lot of the work I do is annonymous.

I like helping people / the environment and I have never asked for thanks.

Why does Jesus want my thanks so much? You should give without taking or expectation.

That's what is wrong with a lot of people I think, the need they have for gratification / fame.

If he did die for my sins... then Thanks!... but I dont agree with him on what these so called sins are

 

Ha! That's the funniest post so far!

So Jesus or/God is pissed at everyone who doesn't follow your particular brand of Christianity or faith? How arrogant!

There are more generous, kind and caring people on this planet, many of whom don't even believe in any God...I have the feeling they'll meet their maker with greater ease than you with that nonsense!

 

Quote: If I gave my life for an individual I loved, and they chose not to speak to me and deny me completely, I think I'd have a hard time forgiving them also.



How did Jesus give his life, he was executed. I'm not happy he was executed, but I am not going to make it into this dramatic, and completely unbelievable story.

I asked someone how one got into heaven before Jesus,, and the answer was you had to sacrifice someone Its unbelievable that so many people in the world take these fables literally! Stories with moral lessons is what they are.

It is a matter of convenience, thats why so many people with horrible lives, or that have done horrible things, find Jesus. Its an easy way to feel that you are forgiven for whatever you may have done..It's also an easy way to look down on the rest of the world because they don't "have Jesus."


*still waiting for someone to explain how capital punishment is justified through the cult of Christ*

 

I'm sorry you feel that way, Zonk. However, since every person walking the planet is flawed, they need to have a way to make up for their sins, because that which is imperfect cannot exist in the realm of G-d's perfection.

Regardless of what kind of human being you think I am, I'm merely telling you how it I believe. You don't have to agree or accept it, however you could be respectful to me. I'd really appreciate that.

Maybe I'll have a chance to check in later, but it's time to go home! If not, I'll check in tomorrow morning. I'll be interested to see the insults thrown my way.

Surprise me. Use your intelligence instead of intolerance, and we may get somewhere.

 

Excellent!

I'm not hurling insults or abuse at you!

You however are being insulting and putting christianity into a very poor light by your interpretation of Christs message. Such a shame. I don't think Jesus deserves it.

Ciao!

 

well some where in the bible.. probably the old testement.. doesn't it say " an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth" of summink like that... so iguess christians could blag it on that...


also i find it hard to get my head round this " repent and you'll be let into heaven" thing... i've never done anything particularly wrong in my life.. i may have gone scumpin' for apples when i was younger but i think thats probably about it, but unfortunatly i dont believe in god so repenting would be useless... soooooo if some guy kills a thousand people then repents, he gets to go into heaven and i dont?....
even tho i dont believe in god, if he exists he must have seen the good i have done in my life.. the people i have helped.. the times i have sacrificed myself for others... now he aint gonna let me into heaven coz i didnt believe he exists, yet he's gonna let murdering bob in coz he repented..... that really sucks.

if i see that god fellow, and he dont let me into heaven.. i'm gonna bop him on the nose.

 

You seem to see people questioning you as attacking... why is this? You disagree with me... and I don't see it as an attack just a difference of opinion.

Asking for clarification on your views is not being intolerant of them.

Sorry, but you are "of this world" and so need to integrate not isolate yourselves from it.

You need to understand that some of the views held by christians are very offensive to non christians.. ie calling certain sections of society sinners... Whether that is your religious view or not it is very upsetting and hurtful so people do get offended, hence they ask you to justify the basis for your judgement of them

Well would you like it if I refered to Christianity as "the same old crap"? I doubt it. Once again, we need to keep lines of communication open not closed.

This whole comment is very patronising.

1. People who don't agree with you are not ignorant.

2.This is a forum, people are not trying to rile you up they are discussing things as is normal on a discussion forum. Funnily enough people who aren;t christians do actually have lives and very productive ones too. I am not a talentless dimwit... I really can;t get over your entirely un christian / unhippy rant here.

3. This third comment is very bad You should do things not because you feel you have to, but because you want to. Whats the point in helping people if you are just trying to score points with Jesus? Not that non christians need your help anyway.

*sigh*

Might I add that if you hadn't moved Zonks post from your forum and made an entirely new thread of it in this forum this whole thread wouldn;t have been started... It was clearly moved out of context to start an argument and flame.

He was refering to you specifically, saying that you were being judgemental towards me. He didn't mean all christians. By starting a new thread you have compounded the issue

This is all so very upsetting.... I have replied here because I don't want to upset Lozi or anyone else on your other forum by openly discussing it there.

I've just had a brilliant / open / direct and frank exchange of ideas on another forum about christianity and was just shocked that the same hasn;t applied here.

Confuddled Clairexxxx

 

If members of the Christ cult can not handle debate about their views, then they should find a private forum where their brainwashing and narrow minded views will not be questioned.

Those followers of christianity who do not take the bible literally and believe it just has a message of kindness towards others, like most other religions, can carry on our debates, because they can handle it.

 

If you want everyone to agree with you then go to church. This is a forum for the public to discuss christianity.