Christianity: "Over and Done"

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  1. campbell34

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    Not once, did I mention a flood or an earthquake.

    The Bible tells us that near the end of time the Jews would return to the land of Israel. They would retake southern Israel first.(They did in 1948.) Second the would recapture Jerusalem.(They did in 1967.) Israel would be surrounded by enemies.(They are.) Jerusalems East Gate would be sealed, and all attempts to open it woud fail. (They have.) Jesus said that man would have the power to destroy Himself, and if it were not for His coming man would. (Christ was correct, man now has the power to destroy himself.)

    THESE PROPHECIES ARE NOT LIES, AND THERE ARE MANY MORE LIKE THESES TO BE FOUND IN THE BIBLE.

    Only the true God know's the future, the false God's will remain silent, because they neither know nor can speak of such things, because they are false God's.
     
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    News Flash I never said all the jews left. Yet the Bible tells us before the Romans kicked them out of Israel that most Jews would be spread across the globe, and at the time of the end, and in the latter days, God would allow the Jews to return to Israel. Another words, the Jewish people, not the orginal people that were kicked out.

    News Flash Israel became a nation in 1948. Nothing has changed?

    Jesus did not write Revelation, He authored it. John wrote it.
     
  3. BlackBillBlake

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    Thanks Skip.

    Slight mix up before in that I meant to address my previous reply to Spook 13 but in error put your name in there - Now edited it. A momentary lapse of reason.:)

    As I tried to make clear before, I haven't rushed to these conclusions - it has been a process.
    And that highlights another basic flaw in the psychology of c/anity.
    For the xian, the process is a simple one - believe, get baptized, die, go to heaven.
    So once you are a baptized 'believer', that's it. Nothing more required. Might as well go back to sleep. Hence it tends to stunt people's development. One is hardly likely to be very open to change if one assumes one has all the answers already. And that's exacly the line taken by persons such as our own Mr. Campbell and others.
    A 100% xian society would be totally stagnant and unable to embrace anything new - just as was the case for hundreds of years in the middle ages. No social progress for centuries.

    EDIT - I'd just add that of course, xians don't want social progress - they show themselves to be it's enemies in the case you point out of the criminal witholding of the sanctioning of contraceptive use, and also attitudes to both women and gays. People who study the tarot cards too come in for flack - just the other day a vicar locally denounced it in the local rag as 'the devil's work'. That is in 2007. Pheewww!!!

    To quote Mr. Lou Reed - 'stick a fork in their ass and turn 'em over, they're done'. :H
     
  4. skip

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    Yes, it's all about psychological control of the mindset of the masses. The church founders followed very ancient models of social control using people's most basic fear - death, against them.

    They homed on in people's lack of awareness about death, and turned it against them. Using circular logic, they force people into believing, using the threat of Eternal Damnation and saying there is NO OTHER WAY. Which of course implies that every other religion is lying to billions of people.

    How many Xtians even realize that everyday they remain a Christian, they are condemning the rest of humanity to HELL? Sorry, but it's NOT GOD condemning the rest of us, IT IS EVERYONE OF YOU!!!

    Your thoughts create reality. So if you truly believe non-Christians are sinners who unless they convert to your way of thinking are going to rot in Hell, then YOU are projecting NEGATIVE vibes outwards, which has INCREDIBLE karmic significance for each and every Christian.

    Until you let go of your attachment to the ideas of Satan and Hell, you bring those ideas TO LIFE on this planet every fucking day!

    In contrast, by thinking of heaven, and projecting that IT DOESN'T exist right here, right now, and can only be obtained thru YOUR WAY after death, your thoughts negate the reality that "heaven" exists here and now (if you want it to).

    And now your collective thoughts about Amageddon, about the RETURN of Christ, and your belief that the bible prophecies are indeed unfolding, and your expectation of future events - WILL INDEED CREATE THOSE HORRIFIC EVENTS!

    But let me assure you, it won't play out at all the way you think, just as the return of Jesus as a pile of bones was not what you expected... And that is because Christian thought is NOT the only kind in play here. ;)
     
  5. campbell34

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    Skip as I have told you before, I have had an encounters with two demons from Hell. The Bible told the truth about this place. The demons I encountered feared this place. And I am telling the truth about these two demons..
    My belief in the prophecies of the Bible will not create their fulfillment. It was not Bible believing Christians who told Hilter to murder six million Jews so it would motivate the Jews to return to Israel. The prophecies of the Bible will happen, because the God of the Bible knew that men like Hilter would exist.
    And the box of bones you call Jesus is an empty hope you hang your hat on.
    What is going to happen in this world will play out just as the prophecies of the Bible said it would. And as the Islamic nations now prepare to build their nukes, only the God of the Bible will be able to stop their plans for the destruction of Israel. And that is why the God of the Bible allowed the Jews to return. God is useing the Jews as bait, and He will use the Jews to fulfill His will. God is getting ready to reveal to the world, who He is.
     
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    This is a very interesting and I'd say crucial point.
    This way of thinking creates a pool of negative psychic energy. This it seems, has become something like the equivalent of an autonomous complex within the collective un-conscious of the human race. A kind of collective inner demon.

    On a more down to earth level, it's like the 'I'm alright jack' attitude - it is completely without compassion, and fails to see the intimate ways in which all living beings are connected.
    It is way xians have of making themselves feel superior to everyone else. And it is 100% dishonest.
     
  7. skip

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    What an EXCELLENT example you chose there!

    Unfortunately ONCE AGAIN, you Xtians IGNORE history.

    In this case you fail to point out that it was Christian Americans, including MORE THAN ONE BUSH family member, who FINANCED HITLER'S rise to power and the NAZI WAR MACHINE right up until America's entry into WWII.

    So you have helped PROVE to all that it is INDEED the Xtian belief in Armageddon that is helping create these HORRIFIC events on the ground, INCLUDING the HOLOCAUST!

    It was the acts of Christians Americans that ensured that Hitler would have enough resources to enslave Europe and carry out his "final solution".

    One more great achievement of Christians that we can be thankful for, no?

    And now, with ANOTHER XTIAN BUSH in charge of the largest nuclear arsenal in the world, we are closer to annihilation than ever before. Doesn't that make you feel safe?

    Thanks for proving several of my points in one go!
     
  8. campbell34

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    So according to your logic if a person believes in the Bible that makes him dishonest. WOW.

    If Christians were without compassion they would not travel the world seeking to aid and help the lost. Christians are some of the most compassionate people around. We are the one's who from our churches are sending people out across the globe setting up schools, and hospitals and looking to aid wherever we see a need. We do this not to feel superior, we do this, because Jesus told us to.
     
  9. skip

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    Your main goal in "traveling the world" has nothing to do with HELPING PEOPLE. As you just stated: "aid and help the "lost"".

    Who is LOST? Those who aren't Christian? Admit it, the REAL goal of Christian charity is to CONVERT PEOPLE to your way of thinking. There is no other goal here.

    Here's proof: You would consider yourself a failure as missionary if you did not convert at least ONE PERSON to your way of thinking, no?

    So you can heal a thousand people's wounds, provide comfort to tens of thousands of others, build schools and hospitals. But if you fail to convert one of them to Christianity, YOU ARE A FAILURE as a missionary, no?

    Keep those LIES flowing. You really are revealing the TRUE CHRISTIAN nature here.

    I don't even need to explain how Christian missionaries are responsible for so much BLOODSHED around the world. Nor shall I delve into just how many NATIVE CULTURES have been TOTALLY destroyed by Christian missionaries.
     
  10. campbell34

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    Oh please, I said Bible believeing Christians, and I might add few people even knew till the end of World War II what Hilter was doing to the Jews, and those who did know could of never predicted that his death camps would result in Israel being reborn a few years later. And America my have a lot of Christians in it, but America is far from being a Christian nation. World War II had more to do with Hilters vision of a super race, than Christians in America wanting to see Armageddon.

    Please show me a history book that states that American Christians wanted Armageddon, and they gave Hilter money to bring this about. I would love to see your sources of information.

    And thanks for letting me know how active of an imagination you have.
     
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    Noah never converted one person, yet he did Gods will. If a Christian never reaches one person but still tries to do what God commands him to do, he is not a failure. Doing Gods will is what is important.
    In the 1950s there were Christian missionaries who were speared to death by yaca natives. The tribe later was converted to the Christian faith. The missionaries had Guns, but refused to use them. Later one of the tribes people said, why did they not defend themselves. And one of the missionaries wives spoke up and said, "because they knew you did not know Jesus." True Christians will lay down their life for the non believer, because that is what Jesus asks us to do sometimes.
     
  12. skip

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    Yes, well the 1950s were way after the ENTIRE world learned of the abuse of natives by missionaries dating back to the Crusades (and before). Just imagine the PR disaster for the church if they had massacred a whole tribe of natives as late as the 1950s. Sounds to me more like they were protecting their church than the natives.

    One incident does not absolve the collective guilt of Xtian missionaries and the horrors they inflicted upon native peoples to get them to convert.

    BTW, I can't find any reference to "Yaca" or "yaca natives" on the net. Care to elaborate or provide a URL? Perhaps it's just a typo.

    Also, Native Peoples aren't "LOST". They know who they are and what they are, and in many cases their world view is far more logical and ecologically sound than Christians.

    What a LOSS that so many native peoples have turned their backs on their rich, sustainable cultures to become more Xtian CLONES exploiting the world for profit...
     
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    I can't speak for every missionaries for the endless years that they have aided people, yet without question missionaries are working by the thousands today trying to make a better world for so many and this is a point that can not be denied.

    The year was 1955 and the lead Missionarie was Jim Elliot, the tribe was the Aucas and they were located in the Ecuador rainforest. The five missionaries were all speared to death by the Aucas while they were trying to help them. Even the tribes people who actually murdered the missionaries become Christians. A recent movie was made about this event titled. End of the spear. (AUCA is the proper spelling.)

    I have friends working overseas as missionaries and I can tell you the work they do is needed, and the people they help are thankful that they are there.
    Often the medical needs of the people would never be met if they had to depend on the local governments.
     
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    You're insane. Listen to yourself... Talking about an imaginary friend.

    If you personally know jesus, please ask him to drop by my house sometime. I'd get a laugh from that.

    And what power are you talking about? LIFE HAPPENS. Jesus doesn't influence it directly, and he never did. Never will.
     
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    It REALLY makes you wonder: Just what HAS Jesus been doing the past TWO MILLENNIUMS? Jerking off all this time?

    I guess we haven't had much use for him, except to feed the illusions of a billion Xtians.

    Oh wait, two world wars (among so many others), a holocaust, famine, pestilence, Katrina, you name it! I don't see no Jesus coming to rescue anyone, not even Xtians.

    No healings, no miracles by Jesus in 2000 years.... I could swear he's off visiting some other planet these days.

    Kinda hard to do much when all you have left on this earth is a pile of bones.

    Now THAT makes sense!
     
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    Stupid or dishonest. One of the two - possibly both.
     
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    A long time ago I failed a job interview. I came home and was a little down, as I was going up the stairs to my room God spoke to me and said. "Tom, you did everything but pray about getting a job."
    So I continued up the stairs and kneeled down at my mothers bed and prayed. I told God I really needed a job and I said Jesus what ever happens now is because of you. As soon as I said the A, of Amen the phone next to me began to ring. When I picked up the phone the man on the other end asked if I could start work for him at 8 A.M. next monday morning. I did. And I worked that job for over a year, and I made enought money for a car and a school I wanted to attend. I have seen God's power many times since then.
    I have seen so much of this kind of thing I don't even question the existance of God. I know, He is alive.
     
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    What you don't get is you could've prayed to Krishna, Buddha, Allah, or the great cosmic void and got the same results...

    That's cause you create your own reality.
     
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    Well that is true, the Devil often rewards those who would bow down to a false God in order to foster a false belief. My God is not the author of confusion, He is the one true God. You can get lost in doctrines of Krishna, Buddha, or Allah or whatever. Yet in the end, we all will bow before the Lord Jesus Christ. And at that time, He will either be your Saviour, or He will be your judge.
     
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    Well, you've got all the bases covered, don't you? If someone of another faith gets a job, it's the devil's reward; but if you get one, it's god's reward.

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    AREN'T YOU SPECIAL!
     
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