Choice..&..Suicide

Kilgore Trout · Jul 14, 2005

Kharakov said:

You only think you are making choices because God has tricked you. Not that it matters, God makes you think you decided to do something before God does it to you, so you might as well go along with it. If God is gonna "suicide" you, God is gonna "suicide" you (that's if it's best for the people around you).

Choice is an illusion. God guides you to where you are going, although you usually feel willing to do whatever God leads you into doing. God is tricky like that. Fishy if you ask me.
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I bet that's something along the lines of what goes through the mind of a suicide bomber.

Occam · Jul 14, 2005

shevek said:

Occam:

The kind of advice you're giving me comes across to me as a lot of New Age fluff. It sounds to me like you're willing to talk the talk in terms of the theory of allowing someone to choose to commit suicide, but you're a little too scared of the reality of our own mortality when it comes to walking the walk. You're also presuming WAAAY too much about my situation, and you're trying to tell me that I "should" see things a certain way. It's occurred to me that you never even tried to ask me just exactly why I'm considering suicide in the first place (I was deliberately evasive about the details for reasons of my own), and since you rushed to judgement already, I don't think I will tell you. I don't have to justify myself to you anyway, so I'm not going to try.

I'm a lot more experienced in metaphysics than you give me credit for, and I don't need advice from those who mean well but simply can't understand. Besides, I didn't come to this conclusion right away; I've been thinking about this for weeks now, and I've set things up in terms of a definite and deliberate plan. In getting to this place, I've even tried on a lot of different perspectives, and my current perspective is the one that's survived the Reality Test. To put it another way, I'm not going to believe in something without some real evidence, to do otherwise is to succumb to fantasy and wishful thinking. And like a dying cancer patient who would rather not be doped up on painkillers, I prefer my Reality straight up without sugarcoating.

Anyway, I don't believe that any of us has that kind of power to remake Reality, not even in our own lives. After all, the power to order our own lives as we wish would in effect give us the ability to order everyone elses' lives too. A good thing we can't do that, considering how immature the human race is. We've screwed things up enough as is, can you imagine the hell we'd create if all of us DID have that kind of power? The few who do have even a limited degree of that sort of power aren't doing a very good job of exercising it as things are now, and it should be a warning to the rest of us. I do appreciate the need not to impose artificial limits on ourselves, but without some real limits we'd end up throwing ourselves into total chaos.

Of course I do have some decisions I can still make, and I intend to make those decisions whether you like them or not. At least I still have my mind intact so that I have the ability to meaningfully make such decisions, and I have to be frank and state that I don't know how much longer I will even have that much should I choose to live instead. If I'm going to make this kind of decision, it's best to do so while I still can.

Do as you will, but remember that I intend to do as I will too. When you REALLY understand what this means, you will begin to comprehend the true nature of choice freedom and destiny.

Peace, --Shevek
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Shevek

Fair enough, occam stands corrected.
He offered a perspective.
If it is useless in your eyes, due to occams ignorance
and seeming presumption.
then occam steps back.

Choose as you wish.
As occam will.

Occam

monarch · Aug 14, 2005

Kilgore Trout said:

I bet that's something along the lines of what goes through the mind of a suicide bomber.
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ROFLMAO

yknow, its a shame suicidal people dont learn from the bombers and take someone important along with them. like bush.

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