Charlottesville, Va Blut Und Boden

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  1. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    Good

    Really? It's not like they never dawn this hateful symbol everywhere they go:

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    Yes but why did it have to result in violence. They all came unmasked. I say we let the bigots speak so we can reveal to the world what scumlords they are. And let the press and internet take care of making fools out of these people.

    I don't know about you but tiki torches don't intimidate me. Did they state they were actually gonna commit arson with those flames?
     
  2. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    also to add:

    Reporters beaten by them as well, by antifa. Yet the y continue to justify themselves as the greater good.

    They justify it by posting or focusing on hate crimes committed by one side, completely ignoring the reverse. Or saying things like they did regarding the limousine company. Apparently he was in the wrong for being a capitalist and successful.

    Heather MacDonald was scheduled to speak at a university in California. She is a prominent speaker and is right wing center. She is a scholar at the manhattan institute and was the first to theorize that anti-police protests in Milwaukee, Fergussen and Baltimore and other places is causing an increase in urban crime; the Ferguson Effect is now a consensus among experts on both sides. She was physically blocked from speaking by ANTIFA and BLM and labelled her a fascist and white supremacist in a letter penned to the president of the school. "She is a fascist, a white supremacist, a warhawk, a transphobe, a queerphobe, a classist, and ignorant of interlocking systems of domination that produce the lethal conditions under which oppressed peoples are forced to live.” They further claimed that she was there to challenge "the rights of black people to exist."

    She does not believe that in the least. She does believe that she that it is threatened by militant anti-police sentiment and the hands off approach has facilitated vandalism, deaths and violence.

    To quote Olson Wells, 1984. In the book he often refers to "newspeak" which is when the main purpose of language is used to describe reality and is replaced by the opposing purpose of asserting power over it. The latter is the purpose of the the so called anti fascists. Who and what are you? A fascist. Who and what am I? An anti-fascist.

    ANTIFA said it, so it is true, while they take a stance that everything they do is justified through intimidation, threats and they are the ones who are right, while referring to the older generation as stupid and having a "wheel chair mentality".is this a bad thing too? Are they racist, white supremacists, transphobic, queeraphobes etc too?
     
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  3. Noserider

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    They haven't labeled me.
     
  4. Noserider

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    I'm not saying I support their actions, mind you. I was simply pointing out that they formed as an opposition to what they saw as racism, fascism, and other "isms" many of their members probably can't accurately define.

    I support opposition of racism and fascism, but rioting and beating people is just foolish and misguided angst. I'm willing to bet most of their members are young and uninitiated with the way the real world works. Ironically, using physical force to achieve your goals is part of the fascist ideology...

    EDIT: Why does spellcheck change "fascism" to "racism?" Kind of fascist of spellcheck, no...?
     
  5. psymon*

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  6. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Red Action appears to be a small splinter group formed in the UK in 1981, it appears some of them were affiliated with the Revolutionary Communist Group of the UK. Are you saying every counter protester belonged to this group and expresses admiration for Communism?

    The KKK is unmasked because they no longer afraid to admit their bigotry.

    Do you think the KKK and Nazis tell you when they are going to burn and bomb churches and such?
     
  7. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    We know there are violent acts committed by both sides.
    I don't want to put words in you mouth, but you seem to be equating that violence on both sides.

    KKK and Nazis violent acts = anti demonstrators and antifa movement acts of violence.



    Let's look at the math a little closer.

    I'll plug in some numbers.
    I can't really go by acts of violence as that's a little hard to find statistics on, so let's use deaths.
    I'll round to the nearest million.

    Number of people killed by the KKK and Nazis = 60 million.
    Number of people killed by the anti demonstrators and antifa movement = 0 . (I'll assume there may have been some but I'm rounding remember).
     
  8. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    I can't understand what's being said, but I've seen similar stuff on the right.
     
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  10. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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  11. Noserider

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    That's just too good to be true. Just...wow.

    Tonight on my way home from work I was behind a car with a bumper sticker promoting socialism. How does one live on America,buy things like automobiles and be socialist?
     
  12. 6-eyed shaman

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    I'm not talking about Red Action. I'm talking about the Hammer and Sickle. It claimed more lives than the Nazi swastika. The communo-fascists also oppressed Eastern Europe 5 times longer than the Nazis did. You can't got to an Antifa protest without seeing a few of those symbols, if not a USSR flag. Supporting tyrannical communism makes someone alt-left in my eyes.

    The Antifa are masked because they know they're committing violent crimes.
     
  13. newbie-one

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    That a claim is supported by anecdotal evidence does not make it false, only unsubstantiated. However, anonymous anecdotal evidence with major holes in its story has no more validity than the average troll post

    Based on what, other than that you wanted to believe it?
     
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  14. 6-eyed shaman

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    That's not a limit to free speech. Getting punched is a possible consequence. As and American you have a freedom to be as hateful and offensive as you want, but there are risks to doing it.


    Even when an alt-left professor advocates white genocide? He's different from neo-nazis, how?
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/26/health/drexel-professor-white-genocide-trnd/index.html
     
  15. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    Or own 3 mansions in Vermont
     
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  16. Meliai

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    I just posted it because I thought it was interesting, obviously I know it is unsubstantiated because I stated the source couldnt be verified

    Some of the post HAS been substantiated by other sources though - the part about the neo Nazis surrounding a church has been corroberated by Cornel West, who was in the church. The main point of the post, which seems to be that the white supremacists were terrorizing the town and it was mostly ordinary citizens who were fighting back to gain control of their town(rather than the narrative I keep hearing that the white supremacists were peaceful until antifa showed up and agitated them) seems pretty apparant from most every video I've seen
     
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  17. newbie-one

    newbie-one one with the newbiverse

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    ^this

    Freedom of speech is a cornerstone of a free society. Guaranteeing free speech rights for everyone is the best, and possibly the only way to guarantee free speech rights for anyone.

    Beyond that, speaking is a way to express grievances and work out problems. It's when people are prevented from speaking that violence occurs, and that's exactly what we saw happen.
     
  18. Meliai

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    The thing is, most people aren't just going to silently slink away in the face of white supremacy. And God bless them for it.

    Freedom of speech protects you from the government.it doesnt protect you from the court of public opinion, it doesnt protect you from counter protests.

    And it isn't fair to lay the blame for violence entirely at the feet of antifa. Did they make it worse? Probs. But like I mentioned above Cornel West said they saved his life when the supremacists had the church surrounded. Why were they surrounding a church and what does that have to do with free speech?

    Freedom of speech doesnt give anyone the right to make am entire town feel fearful or to hold anyone in a building against their will.

    The white supremacists came with violence in mind. The fact that antifa was there added fuel to the fire, but I don't believe this was ever designed to be a peaceful protest.
     
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  19. newbie-one

    newbie-one one with the newbiverse

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    A fundamental problem is that we don't have any reliable neutral sources of information. Unfortunately the media has a history of manipulating news coverage to serve whatever agenda they want to promote, and it's especially true of news events related to race.

    I can't come to any conclusions about what actually happened there, since there is no source of news worthy of my trust.
     
  20. Meliai

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    Which is why youtube is so valuable, you can watch unedited videos filmed by eyewitnesses
     
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