Charlottesville, Va Blut Und Boden

No reason to, I already did address it in my response to you and I was simply commiserating with newbie one!

You tend to put words in my mouth and in the mouths of others which you use to validate your points.

As for the fascist group you are against but for at the same time. They are not sometimes violent, violence is their way of life. Leaders of it even state this. Active members won't deny it. Clearly you Are I'll informed or simply pretending to be to msaintain your stance.

 

It seems Trump is reluctant to denounce these white nationalists (the kindest term that can be applied to them) because they're the only supporters he has left.

 

From an actual resident of Charlottesville:

"There seems to be a perception from people outside of Charlottesville that what is going on here is two opposing groups coming to town and fighting some ideological battle that has gotten messy. That is not what is happening here. What is happening here is that several hate groups from the extreme right have come together under the "unite the right" banner here in our town and basically started acting as terrorists. This may seem like an exaggeration but it's not.

A church service was held over because they had surrounded the building and police had to disperse them. People had to be escorted to their cars. My friend was there with her daughter. Everywhere they meet, businesses close. We had drive by shootings yesterday from a van marked kkk.

A car plowed into a huge group of people. I'm sure you saw that on the newsfeeds. What you probably didn't see is that some of those people were on their way back from helping to repel a white supremacist march to predominately black housing development a few blocks away where they were attempting home invasions. I guess they were unfamiliar with the neighborhood. The residents repelled that one before antifa got there but there is some video of the alt-right folks getting run off on the daily progress twitter feed, if you're interested.

So, basically, what I'd like you to understand is, this IS NOT two side egging eachother on to unavoidable violence for more attention. This is one side of terrorists declaring that they can and will hold a town hostage (they've been saying it for over a month now, actually) and the town responding to that threat. The car that killed and injured people yesterday? Ohio tags. The medic tents (which treated both sides... turns out the alt right erst didn’t bring any medics. Guess they planned on doing all the injuring), water bottles, snacks, shade tents (all volunteer, donations, none shut down by police... all manned by that radical left you keep hearing about) yeah, we all live here. I saw a lot of people I knew yesterday, none of them were speaking for unite the right. None of them were escalating violence, most of them were offering some kind of aid and defending."



I cant verify the source of this, from what I read the author of it doesn't want their name released

 

Agreed, so do I. I can't imagine being tied down by racism like that. But I see it far too often. I'll never forget being at a bus terminal the day after Obama won and having a toothpick skinny black guy say "Now WE own YOU cracka" up in my face. It was all I could do to keep from laughing my ass off. I just figured he "graduated" from the Atlanta Public Schools.

 

But Antifa are RACIST too!

The counter protesters were chanting "Anti-White" over and over in Charlottesville. They didn't say Anti-white-supremacy, just Anti-White. Racism travels in every direction, and I'm sure you know that.

There are active HF members on here that openly support a racist hate groups like Antifa. Moderators too.

LET
THAT
SINK
IN

If someone openly promotes the declining numbers of any racial group. They're part of the problem

Fast forward to 21:50 of this video for proof (more precisely at 27:48)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgccg9xurE8


Please don't apologize for anyone who participated in the violence last weekend.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdr0d2iRkA8&t=1s

 

It's very telling that this aspect of BLM is not widely reported, and likewise the "Fuck yo flag" BLM splinter group that was defiling American flags.

The day that BLM protesters seized Bernie Sanders' stage in Portland, the PBS News Hour reported only, "Bernie Sanders continues to draw large crowds". Lies of omission in the media seem to be commonplace.

When I tried to find raw footage of the event on youtube, I found nothing but snippets of video with commentary excusing it, or distancing their actions from BLM

The MSM simply doesn't have any credibility with me anymore

 

That's because Youtube and their parent company Google teamed up with the ADL (the same whackjob group that finds cartoon frogs racist), to police videos and take down "controversial" videos they don't want you to see.

It's tough to find the same youtube videos I once liked. And many of the channels I once subscribed to are now demonetized. I also find that YouTube will literally unsubscribe me from those channels from time to time.

 

I don't see an anonymous anecdote as a reliable source of information. Also, the claim is made that white supremacists were planning to carry out home invasions. What was their source for this, their contacts inside the white supremacist planning committee?

 

Simply because someone claims to be against racism, or is genuinely against racial discrimination directed at certain groups, does not mean that they are not racist. And if 6eS is correct in saying that anti-fa protesters were chanting "anti-white", it's a pretty strong indication that they are racist.

 

This is what I think about this mess:
In all of this talk about who's to blame for Charlottesville, who started it, whether both sides are equally guilty...
...something important has gotten lost. Here it is:

If you gather in a public place bearing torches, guns, clubs, and riot shields, waving Nazi flags and yelling Nazi slogans, you don't get to act mistreated if people show up to yell back at you. You don't get to act surprised if somebody attacks you. You don't get to say you were treated unfairly.
I think I can offer a good rule of thumb: If doing a thing by yourself in a bar would get you knocked on your ass, don't do that thing as part of a group in the public square.
I don't care if a counter-protester threw the first punch or swung the first stick. There's a threshold beyond which reasonable people can't be expected to just stand by and watch. That threshold was crossed before one of the Nazis murdered a woman and injured 19 others. The counter-protesters who didn't react violently are to be admired, but I won't condemn any of them who lashed out.
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And last but not least - this is just a personal pet peeve of mine...but when a person says something is "only anecdotal evidence", it is just another way to overlook and/or deny anything that person said.
I BELIEVE that a woman in Charlottesville said all of that, that Mel quoted...and I personally will never say "based on anecdotal evidence" bla bla bla...If I don't believe someone, I will say that. I don't understand when "anecdote" quit being something funny and that word began being the base of just another way to be a smart ass...

 

There's a difference. Those white trash nationalist in Virginia were not even close to Nazi soldiers. As much as the media hyped this bullshit up, Charlottesville was not Normandy beach. It's not OK to punch people you disagree with, not even Nazis. The argument is lost by the person who throws the first blow.

Just because racists practice their constitutional rights to gather and assemble; we may not like what they do or what we stand for. But that does not give anyone the right to throw bricks and swing weapons around.

Historically speaking, the Communists these Antifa assholes idolize are just as bad if not worse than the Nazis. They were horrible people then and they are horrible now. It's not right to side with them just because they are fighting people you don't like.

And no, don't even think about trying to accuse me of defending the neo-nazis. I'm defending the right of everyone in America to practice free speech and assemble without being attacked. No matter how unpopular and offensive their views are.

 

I Would Have Loved To See That Baptist Church Group That Used To Picket The Funerals Of

Returned Servicemen Sorted Out With A Few Baseball Bats......Lowlife Scum They Are.....



Cheers Glen.

 

Oh, I get that. But I also acknowledge that groups like AntiFa are reactionary and wouldn't exist without white nationalists and the alt right.

AntiFa, for better or worse is the RESPONSE to racism and not the perpetrator of it.

 

There are limits to free speech. If you carry a Nazi flag around and get punched for doing it, you haven't won any argument. You get no sympathy from me and the vast majority of people.

You have the constitutional right to call me every dirty name in the book and I don't have the right to punch you out for saying it, but in such a case I say fuck your rights.

Yes Antifa and BLM can get very provocative and need to rein that shit in. In any movement there will be extremists, many of whom feel that peaceful protest has failed and it's time to act out. But the KKK and neo-Nazis are extremist movements in themselves and have no place anywhere. Hatred is un-American.

 

No, in America they do not exist in their numbers because of racism. they are left wing extremist who justify themselves by labelling everyone who is right wing. They have grown because they showed up at trumps inauguration and rioted, caused a lot of damage beat people who were on the opposing side. People who may or may not have been racist, but antifa will say they all are!

 

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Just to add, antifa showed up at the trump inauguration and caused a lot of damage in Washington, D.C. 100k plus. In Seattle they did the same, setting limousines on fire, smashing businesses, etc, the limousine set on fire was of a company owned by an Muslim man, an immigrant as well. the people they beat may or may not have been racist.

In San Fran when milo was to speak they caused over 100k in property damage. In their view all conservatives are racist, or so they say.

Pictures of people have been posted, identified in the pictures publically with logos photoshopped on their shirts for the brotherhood, etc. Some photos were not even of people at the rally. These people and families have received death threats. One of the scheduled speakers was a Jewish man by the way