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No. You are wrong.

What I said was

and

Don't put words into my mouth

 

So even though there has never, ever been a race-specific increase in mortality, except in the case genocide, your claim is that the increase in mortality is not caused by genocide, correct?

 

What I said does have bearing on your post, I just dont agree with you.

There are plenty of possible reasons mortality has increased in recent years - economic struggles, lack of healthcare, the opioid epidemic, obesity.

I'm willing to entertain your genocide hypothesis, perhaps with a grain of salt and warily but entertain it nonetheless, but you would need to offer substantial proof of who is committing it and how they are doing it.

Bit off topic for this thread though, maybe I'll see you create a thread to address this topic in the future

 

You can try to differentiate between the white nationalists and antifa all you want. To me, I fail to see a difference between the two.


1. They have no regard for the law and lack self awareness.
2. They argue with fists, not their words
3. Antifa have demonstrated that they don't believe in freedom of speech. White Nationalists don't believe that all people are created equal. Hence the both disregard the constitution.
4. Both support big government policies
5. Both idolize totalitarian genocidal regimes of the 20th century (Nazis and Commies)



Why not just see it for what it was? Two hate groups colliding with each other. To me, both groups are equal in my eyes.


Have we gotten to that point yet MeAgain, that we need to bash the fash by any means necessary?

 

As I mentioned in another thread, walking down the street minding my own business, with my sister when we encountered a BLM gathering on route. Carrying signs reading kill all white people. This was acceptable because we white people are supposedly privileged and racist.

Interesting that the two M's are defending ANTIFA and BLM, because I am pretty sure that if they did not show up and give them the attention or assaults, this would not have occurred. If not for BLM and their racist views, WLM would not exist.

Meagain, antifa is organized, where have you been? I do not think the kkk is all that organized and have been pretty much dismantled, but if the alt left continue to assault people strictly for how they vote or what they have to say then people will defend that, calling them racist based on skin colour, then people will come to their defence. Innocent people were there on both sides, but BLM and antifa went in looking for a fight. You say both sides are wrong while defending one side as being on the right side. LOL

So I was thinking, would it be ok with you if people decided to punch a blmer or antifa member? This is exactly what the groups want and will say, "see? I got beat up for punching a white guy who may or may not have been racist and he/she retaliated. That person is against everything I say I am for." Lip service, just words to validate their own racism and hatred. To give attention to any of those groups makes numbers on the opposite side grow and not for racist reasons.

 

One side was a group of white supremacists


So, no.

 

^ I am sure you are capable of looking up websites for yourself and comparing them to mein kampf and fascist ideology. Just because someone says they are anti fascist doesn't make it so, and it is not so in this case. Their actions say it all.

Not sure why you even suggest I am a fascist, when I reject all those groups. I suppose this was your way of attempting to catagorize me as something I am not, and elevate yourself. brill!

wTF? Did I ask for one? Don't think so, but you will skew things to fit your goal. No need for me to apologize either. shrug

You Might want to reconsider your defence of racist and hateful groups though.

You say you are seeing the fault in both sides while you choose, defend a fascist side. Antifa and BLM are equivelant to the KKK, just on the flip side politically and racially.

 

Seems to be a trend with him, putting words in people mouths. Very trollish behaviour

 

Racists embody fascism. Social justice warriors embody fascism too.

Antifa supports communist regimes. White supremacy wouldn't work without the government oppressing non whites. Both support enormous government laws.

Have you not seen all the hammer and sickle attire they wear at their rallies? Hell, they even ripped off the Communist Party's logo

 

Your knowledge of Antifascist ideology is....limited

Most antifascists are antifascist because they oppose liberal ideology and are opposed to state powers controlling public discourse. They go to oppose Fascist rallies in part because they do not want the state to do it. There is black in the flag as a symbol of anti-statism.

You constantly conflate hardline antifascists with liberals under the banner of "social Justice Warrior". These two groups are violently opposed to each other in principle (although they may occasionally collaborate). Tell an antifascist he's a liberal and you'll not have a very nice time.

 

They collaborate because they have the same goal, not because they are different. Antifa needs blm/SJW and BLM/SJW needs them.

Antifa is just another racist judgemental fascist group who hides their true self under the ANTI,, just like Germany did in 1933. You can deny this all you want, their actions says it all.

 

I'm seriously suspicious now that you may not know what the term fascist means...

 

One is promoting hate and racism; the other is opposing it.

On the surface they're similar, but come on now...their views are polar opposites. That's as plain as day.

 

The following is a timeline of hate crimes committed explicitly in the names of white supremacy and homophobia since the start of 2017.

Those who claim that there are no essential differences between white nationalists and Antifa will, I have no doubt, have no trouble in furnishing us with a similar list of crimes committed in the name of antifascism over the same period.

January 20, 2017: A right-wing extremist shoots a protestor at a Milo Yiannopoulos event at the University of Washington.

January 29, 2017: Alexandre Bissonnette walks into a mosque in Canada during evening prayers and opens fire, shooting 17 people and killing six of them.
January 2017: Over 40 Jewish centers in the U.S. receive bomb threats.

February 22, 2017: Adam Purinton tells two men from India to “get out of my country” then shoots both plus a bystander, killing one.

February 28, 2017: a mosque in Toronto is set on fire by arsonists.

March 12, 2017: a mosque in Ypsilanti, MI. is set on fire by arsonists.

March 20, 2017: James Jackson arrives in Manhattan with a sword and stabs the first black man he sees to death. He later tells authorities he “intended to kill as many black men as he could.”

March 24, 2017: Yelling “I hate Muslims!” a man in Minneapolis stabbed a Somali man in an attempt to kill him.

March 26, 2017: A racist mob attacks a 15-year-old Polish boy in Gloucestershire and, when a local Asian shopkeeper tries to intervene, attack him as well with crowbars and baseball bats, then attempt to run him over with a car.

March 31, 2017: A 17-year-old Iranian/Kurdish boy is nearly beaten to death by a mob of eight people in Croydon after he revealed to them that he was a refugee.

April 6, 2017: A Charlotte store is set on fire by an arsonist who leaves a warning message for the shop owner that he “did not want any refugee business owners and that they would torture the owner if they did not leave and go back to where they came from,” according to police. It was signed “White America.”


April 30, 2017: A white man storms a pool party in San Diego and shoots four black women, two black men, and one Latino man while allowing white attendees to leave. One victim dies while the other six sustain critical injuries.


May 5, 2017: A man walking his dog on South Beach in Miami is confronted by two men who call him a “fucking faggot,” then attack him, beating him unconscious. At one point in the attack, one of the attackers shouts “all faggots need to die and we’re going to make sure they do!”


May 14, 2017: Vandals spray-paint hate graffiti on the home of a black family in upstate New York before attempting to set the house on fire while the family slept. Although the family escaped unscathed, their garage burnt to the ground and their house suffered some damage.

May 17, 2017: A homophobic mob break into the home of a gay couple and shoot and stab both men to death.


May 20, 2017: University of Maryland student and member of the “alt-Reich” facebook group Sean Urbanski walks up to 22-year-old Richard Collins III, who is black and who Urbanski does not know, and stabs him to death in an unprovoked attack.


May 24, 2017: A barrage of doxxing, rape threats, and death threats received by trans comic book artist Sophie Labelle forces her to cancel an appearance and event at a Halifax book store, which also received bomb threats and threats of attacking the event. Labelle is forced into hiding.

May 26, 2017: Three men intervene on a MAX train in Portland when they witness another man verbally abusing two Muslim women with an Islamophobic tirade. The Islamophobe responds by pulling out a knife and stabs the three interveners, killing two of them.
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May 27, 2017: A white man drives his pickup truck through a campsite, targeting the Native Americans camping there while yelling racial slurs at them. He intentionally drives over two Native American men, killing one and injuring the other.June 3rd: EDITED TO INCLUDE:
March 3, 2017: A Sikh man is shot and injured in front of his Seattle house by a white man waring a mask, who yells at him to “go back to your country!”

May 27, 2017: A 34-year-old Anthony Hammond lets loose with a flurry of racial slurs directed at a black man in a parking lot, then pulls out a machete and stabs the man before barricading himself in his apartment for several hours, until finally surrendering to police.

January 1, 2017: 19-year-old Nathan Richardson encounters 67-year-old jogger Wenqing Xu and beats him to death in an unprovoked, random attack. After committing the murder, Richardson texted his friends that he “fucked sum chink up. Bodied him. I think pure crime scene – his head’s gone,”


June 18, 2017: two men armed with baseball bats attack a group of Muslim teenagers, kidnapping a 17-year-old girl, who they beat to death, dumping her body in a pond.
June 1, 2017: A Princeton professor and racialized woman is forced to cancel a three-city lecture tour to promote her book about the Black Lives Matter movement after receiving over 50 death threats.

June 19, 2017: Shouting “I’m going to kill all Muslims!” 47-year-old Darren Osborne drives a courier van through a crowd of Muslims leaving a Finsbury mosque, killing one person and injuring ten others.
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January 28, 2017: a First Nations woman walking with her sister is struck by a trailer hitch hurled from a passing vehicle. After struggling in hospital for several months, she succumbs to her injuries.

June 21, 2017: an Islamophobe approaches a Muslim man and woman sitting in a car stopped at a traffic light and knocks on the window. When the driver rolls down the window, the Islamophobe sprays the driver and passenger with acid, severely burning both.


February 21, 2017: a 24-year-old transgender woman is shot and killed in Chicago, IL.

February 26, 2017: a transgender woman is shot and killed in New Orleans, LA.

March 1, 2017: a transgender woman is stabbed to death in New Orleans, LA.

March 22, 2017: a 38-year-old transgender woman is shot and killed in Baltimore, MD.

April 21, 2017: a 28-year-old transgender woman is shot and killed in Miami, FL.

May 17, 2017: a 34-year-old transgender woman is shot and killed in Fresno, CA.

July 2, 2017: a 28-year-old transgender woman is shot and killed in Lynchburg, VA.


June 3, 2017: 38-year-old white supremacist Phillip Wade racially abuses a 57-year-old black man on an Oakley, CA. bus, then pulls a knife and stabs the man to death while the man is walking away from the confrontation. The victim is the third racialized person Wade has stabbed in the past six years and the second person he’s murdered.

July 16, 2017: A man attempts to pull the hijab off of a Muslim woman waiting for the tube in London, then hits her when she resists. He then pins her friend to the wall and spits in her face before leaving.

July 16, 2017: Arsonists set a mosque in Manchester ablaze.

July 18, 2017: A NASA researcher of South Asian descent has her car windshield shattered by a rock thrown through it by an assailant screaming “go back to your country!” She’s injured in the attack.



July 19, 2017: Two men exit a car and attack a racialized pedestrian with their fists and an iron bar.



August 5, 2017: A mosque in Bloomington, Minnesota is firebombed, narrowly missing killing & injuring dozens of members there for morning prayers.


August 8, 2017: A well-known Chicago neo-nazi starts an altercation at a concert, then pulls out a smuggled knife and stabs a man and a woman at the show.


August 12, 2017: A white supremacist in Charlottesville, VA. drives his car at high speed directly into a crowd of anti-racist protestors, killing one woman and seriously injured 19 other people.


While you do the research necessary to compiule your list, maybe look up the defnitions of a few key terms. It might really help your arguments.

 

Sobering post, autophobe2e.