Charlottesville, Va Blut Und Boden

The flag is popular with European white supremacists since the Swastika has such a negative connotation and is sometimes illegal. These people have no American relatives and have probably never even been to the South US yet they like the symbol and some people pretend to not know why. Where is there "southern pride"? Pride for the south of Germany I guess. The actual causes of that war are irrelevant now considering who has adopted the flag.

Long term though the Nazis are going to be pissed because so many statues and flags are coming down. They say it's the left who ruined things by not letting them protest. Well it seems the left is going to get their way. You got one statue they are getting dozens by the day. Rational people don't want to associated with it. Perhaps if the Nazis had kept themselves silent they would have more to look at.

 

Charles Barkley was called a "black white-supremacist" by the alt-left for making this statement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M9vnv5qIFQ

the reaction: http://www.theroot.com/charles-barkley-is-a-great-example-of-a-black-white-su-1798149722

 

I love Charles. Nobody in America right now is better at stating the obvious and explaining it in a way that everybody should be able to understand.

No wonder political extremists on both sides hate him. He's the antidote to their political bullshit.

I'll bet if you asked him about Robert E. Lee, he would say something like, "I don't give a damn about him, one way or the other. He's nothing to me. He's dead."

 

It's one thing to earn the respect of your friends, quite another to earn the respect of your enemies. Nobody alive today is in a better position to pass judgment on Lee than Grant, who studied under Lee at West Point, fought with him as a fellow officer in Mexico, and faced him across the battlefield as an adversary for nearly two years.

At the surrender at Appomattox, Grant showed nothing but respect for Lee. He didn't have to do that.

In his written memoirs and in various verbal comments to a variety of people, Grant said that the Southern army, as built and operated by Lee, was one of the best armies the world has ever seen, fighting for one of the worst causes that any army ever fought for. In other words, Lee's immense military talents were wasted on that doomed, pathetic, piece of shit Confederacy. Throughout the rest of his life, Grant was never known to say a negative word about Lee, except that he was on the wrong side.

I think anyone who wants to disagree should first explain why they know more about the subject than Grant and are more qualified to make a judgment call about Lee than Grant was. Grant was the only Civil War figure to become President of the United States. His face still appears on the $50.

 

And that's what earned Lee his statues. It is the fanatical extremists on both sides that are making this out to be about something more.

This whole thing is just a political fad that will blow over. If there are any Confederate statues left, people (other than history lovers) will go back to ignoring them, as they have done for over a hundred years. What did Martin Luther King say about Lee statues? Nothing, because he saw them as irrelevant. He was focused on serious racial problems that need to be addressed. He was concerned about the living, not the dead.

But... personally, I do hope that everything related to Jefferson Davis comes down. As the CSA political leader, there's nothing positive to say about him.

 

Interestingly, Robert E. Lee was opposed to erecting Confederate monuments http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/robert-e-lee-opposed-confederate-monuments/

 

Yes and his descendents have came out against them as well

 

We had a street march in the early spring for The Presidents supporters in Seaside Heights, NJ.

First of all the Presidents party won in a sweep, so, I don't get why a rally was really necessary for his supporters?

In Seaside, they have a share of troubles with rowdys, the Police Chief advised to deny the permit; it was approved on free speech grounds.

Sure enough The Opposition showed up as well. The Police there, experienced in these matters managed to prevent confrontations, but at the cost of much police overtime which will take money away from other spending.

You will not hear the LEO's get much kudos on the site but they did a good job.

My question is why indulge these Political Hobbyists with permits when they want to make trouble?

Radicals will use the cover of crowds to engage in violence. I'm reluctant to attend anything because the violent radicals are lurking to incite the crowd. Radicals also used peaceful Occupy Wall Street crowds to cause trouble. And I'm remembering some international monetary conference in Seattle several years ago where storefronts were smashed.

I don't buy the argument that people need to engage in street violence to fight for their issues. This is not Venezuela, this is not Cuba, we have free elections where issues are settled at the ballot box.

I certainly do not feel threatened by any group of any thing to arm myself, even with a stick and take to the street. I would advocate denial of these permits.

 

Reading Michelle Goldberg in Slate Magizine about Antifa and Daryle Jenkins.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/08/daryle-jenkins-has-stepped-up-to-explain-the-shadowy-groups-violent-tactics-to-the-world.html

 

You're bringing logic into an argument of passion.

It really comes down to this: When my side does it, it's acceptable. When your side does it, it's not. Same thing with these arguments. When I make the argument, I'm right; when you make the same argument, you're wrong.

Politics has become a sport. There is no objectivity anymore. It's my team vs. yours. Political ideology has gone right out the window. You've got conservatives supporting big government and federal overreach, and liberals supporting the suppression of liberty.

 

Its for the Police to clear armed mobs from the streets.

In any normal place the police would have locked them up before trouble started, why not in Charlottesville?

Did someone ask police to stand by?

 

Has anyone heard about this? A man fired a gun into a crowd of counter protesters during the Charlottesville protest. He was charged with firing a weapon near a school. Now, I'm no legal expert but I'm pretty sure firing a gun into a crowd of people is actually attempted murder

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/608230001/

 

would also be treated as a hate crime here based on words he used prior to the shooting

 

Should be... But shooting near a school is all he's up for.

 

And that attitude is / was part of what makes his fans like him so much. He never wanted to be honored in any way.

Lee was also opposed to any Confederate flags being displayed after the war. At the university that he ran for the six years that he lived after the war, he made an official rule against displaying anything Confederate on campus. His point of view that when you do what you think is right, do your best, and the results don't go your way, you take your loss like a man and don't whine about it until the end of time. You learn your lessons and you move on with your life.

 

Shock and anger were common feelings for most Americans who followed the recent tragic events in Charlottesville, Virginia.

To Jack Rosenthal, the hate-filled imagery was something he never thought he’d see again, at least not in the United States.

Rosenthal is one of 10,000 Romanian refugees who came to America after World War II. At 88 years old, he still mourns the loss of seven family members who died in the Auschwitz death camp. He was the only one to survive.

“After I was liberated, I thought to myself the world has learned what terrible traces hate can bring to humanity,” he said. “And now this gives me a depressing feeling because it’s happening again, and it’s happening now.”

The successful real estate agent watched the protests from his home in Roslyn, New York, where he lives during the warmer months of the year. In the winter, Rosenthal flies to Florida.

Decades later, he remembers how hard it was to get settled in the U.S. while dealing with the trauma from the war. “When I came here, I used to get really bad nightmares and I would get up in middle of the night not being able to go back to sleep,” he said.

Those days of lingering fear and uncertainty felt much closer after watching neo-Nazis rage during the violent demonstrations in Charlottesville, he said. But after all the anti-Semitic speeches and the deadly car attack, it was one particular detail that caught Rosenthal’s attention.

He noticed it while reading about a Aug. 14 court hearing for James Alex Fields Jr., the man accused of plowing his car into a crowd of counterprotesters at the white nationalist rally, leaving a 32-year-old woman dead and injuring at least 19 other people. The article included a photo of Matthew Heimbach, who had helped promote the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, voicing his displeasure outside the courtroom after a judge denied bail for Fields.

The white supremacist’s T-shirt was the first thing Rosenthal saw. On the shirt was a picture of Corneliu Zelea Codreanu, a pre-WWII leader of the Romanian fascist Legion of Saint Michael the Archangel and the Iron Guard political party, which were both linked to the Nazi party.

“I recognized the name right away,” Rosenthal said. “You see something like this, you know, it brings back memories and I’m concerned about what could happen in this country,” he said.

“You cannot compare fascism and Nazis to the other people protesting. Maybe there are people on both sides who are misguided, but there is simply no comparison,” Rosenthal said.

And he reminded us that the consequences of going through horrific violence never really end. “It’s 70 years after the war and it still has a tremendous impact on me,” he said. “It’s something I’ll never forget and that’ll always be with me as long as I live.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/this-holocaust-survivor-noticed-a-detail-in-charlottesville-you-might-have-missed_us_59a09bf8e4b05710aa5c3feb

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S2TZOdXAtQ


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I couldn't explain why the media is the enemy better than she does.

For the last 8 years, the media paid no attention to white nationalists. Do any of you believe that during those 8 years, that they NEVER threw any public protest that a black man was president? They gave these bigots the spotlight and the mic only to create the illusion that it is on the rise now that a white man took back the white house.

Shame on the city council for issuing the permits, and ordering the police to stand down until it got really violent.