Charlottesville, Va Blut Und Boden

Do you have any idea how the CSA was run? It may not have met the standard definition of a true democracy, but it sure as hell wasn't a military dictatorship. When important political decisions had to be made in Richmond, I doubt if anybody ever asked Robert E. Lee's opinion on anything. He had zero input into writing the CSA constitution or any of its laws or policies.

If you're looking for individuals to blame for the Civil War, start with Jefferson Davis, then his VP and cabinet, then the CSA legislature in Richmond, and then every governor and every state legislature in each and every state that voted to leave the Union. That's many hundreds of men who could have stopped all this before it began. Add their slave-owning financial supporters, and now we're well into the thousands of individuals who had more political input than Lee.

Blaming Southern military men for the CW is just as crazy as going to the Pentagon and protesting against the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (whoever the hell that is now) because you don't like the policies of Trump. The Pentagon has nothing to do with it. Nobody is protesting at the Pentagon.

I'm not so much pro-Lee as I am anti- free pass to racist scumbag politicians who aren't well known. Show me any great evil in the world, and I'll show you a group of amoral politicians who are making money from it.

Lee had a hard decision to make in choosing between his loyalty to state and country. I personally disagree with the decision he made, but I understand why he made it, and I respect his decision. Otherwise, nearly everything he did in his life was nearly perfect. He loved Virginia with all his heart. It meant everything to him.

Can you imagine going to war and fighting against Pennsylvania and all your relatives and friends?

 

Yes I am saying that crimes committed by the left are equal and quite possibly have been more destructive since the 60s

Left crimes, killing and bombing committed by left groups that the people who are left leaning and the media chooses to accept as justified or ignore because they are on the same side.

I guess you forgot about the shooting of republicans recently at the baseball practice field!

Or the cops shot during BLM and antifa protests calling for cops to be killed.

the senators son who smoke bombed a parliament building hurt a woman by shooting fire works at her and carried weapons as he joined antifa clad in black and hiding his identity. This is just some recent events and there are a lot more.

But let's look at some history of left groups Many of these bombs killed and of seriously injured people and many robberies also injured or killed people., there have been a lot of them

Weathermen. From wiki

1960s

June 18–22 – Students for a Democratic Society SDS National Convention held in Chicago, Illinois. Publication of "Weatherman" founding statement. Members seize control of SDS National Office. Beating and threatening people with intimidation.
July – Members Bernardine Dohrn, Eleanor Raskin, Dianne Donghi, Peter Clapp, David Millstone and Diana Oughton travel to Cuba and meet representatives of the North Vietnamese and Cuban governments.
August – Weatherman member Linda Sue Evans travels to North Vietnam. Weatherman activists meet in Cleveland, Ohio, in preparation for "Days of Rage" protests scheduled for October, 1969 in Chicago.
September 3 – Female members participate in a "jailbreak" at South Hills High School in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, where they run through the school shouting anti-war slogans and distributing literature promoting the “National Action.” The term "Pittsburgh 26" refers to the 26 women arrested in connection with this incident.
September 23 - Katherine Ann Power and Saxe became involved in a plot to arm the Black Panthers as a response to United States involvement in the Vietnam War. Bond introduced them to former convicts William Gilday and Robert Valeri and together the group plotted to rob the State Street Bank & Trust. On September 20, 1970, the group robbed a National Guard armory in Newburyport, Massachusetts and took 400 rounds of ammunition.[7] They also stole weapons and set fire to the facility, causing about $125,000 in damage. The group robbed a bank in Brighton, Massachusetts, carrying handguns, a shotgun and a submachine gun.[6] [9] The first police officer on the scene, Boston police officer Walter Schroeder, was shot in the back by Gilday when he attempted to stop the robbery.[2] He subsequently died from his wounds. The group escaped with $26,000 in cash, which they planned to use to finance an overthrow of the federal government.[2] Power was behind the wheel of one of the two getaway vehicles.
September 24 – A group of members confronted Chicago Police during a demonstration supporting the "National Action" and protesting the commencement of the Chicago Eight trial stemming from the 1968 Democratic National Convention.
October 6 – The Haymarket Police Statue in Chicago was bombed; Weathermen later claimed credit for the bombing in their book, "Prairie Fire."
October 8–11 – The "Days of Rage" riots occurred in Chicago, damaging a large amount of property. 287 Weatherman members were arrested; some became fugitives when they failed to appear for trial.
November 8 - Sniper attack on Cambridge Police Station. Two shots were fired. Two Weathermen, James Kilpatrick and James Reaves, were indicted and subsequently released when a witness recanted his testimony.
November–December – Karen Ashley and Phoebe Hirsch were among the few Weatherman members to join the first contingent of the Venceremos Brigade (VB) that departs for Cuba to harvest sugar cane.
December 6 – Bombing of several Chicago police cars parked in a precinct parking lot at 3600 North Halsted Street, Chicago. The WUO claims responsibility in "Prairie Fire," stating it was a protest of the fatal police shooting of Illinois Black Panther Party leaders Fred Hampton and Mark Clark on December 4, 1969.
December 27–30 – Weathermen held a "War Council" in Flint, Michigan, where plans were finalized to change into an underground organization that would commit strategic acts of sabotage against the government. Thereafter they were called "Weather Underground Organization" (WUO).
1970
January - Silas and Judith Bissell placed a homemade bomb under the steps of the ROTC building. The bomb was made from an electric blasting cap, an alarm clock, a battery and a plastic bag filled with gasoline and explosives.[9]
February – The WUO closed the SDS National Office in Chicago, concluding the major campus-based organization of the 1960s. The first contingent of the VB returned from Cuba and the second contingent departed. By mid-February the bulk of the leading WUO members had gone underground.
February 16 – A bomb was detonated at the Golden Gate Park branch of the San Francisco Police Department, killing one officer and injuring a number of other policemen. No organization claimed credit. (See San Francisco Police Department Park Station bombing.)
February 21 – The house of Judge Murtagh, who was presiding over the Panther 21 trial, is fire-bombed with three Molotov cocktails by a WUO cell in New York City.
March – Warrants are issued for several WUO members, who become federal fugitives when they fail to appear for trial in Chicago.
March 6 – WUO members Theodore Gold, Diana Oughton, and Terry Robbins are killed in the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion, when a nailbomb they were constructing detonates. The bomb was intended to be planted at a non-commissioned officer's dance at Fort Dix, New Jersey.
March 30 – Chicago police discover a WUO "bomb factory" on Chicago’s north side.
April 1 - Based on a tip Chicago Police find 59 sticks of dynamite, ammunition, and nitro glyerine in an apartment traced to WUO members. The discover of the WUO weapons cache ends WUO activity in this city.
April 2 - A federal grand jury in Chicago returns a number of indictments charging WUO members with violation of federal anti-riot laws.[8] Also, a number of additional federal warrants charging "unlawful flight to avoid prosecution" are returned in Chicago based on the failure of WUO members to appear for trial in local cases.
May 10 – The National Guard Association of the United States building in Washington, D.C. is bombed.
May 21 – The WUO releases its "Declaration of a State of War" communique[12][13] under Bernardine Dohrn's name.
June 6 – In a letter, the WUO claims credit for bombing of the San Francisco Hall of Justice, although no explosion has occurred. Months later, workmen locate an unexploded bomb.
June 9 - The New York City Police headquarters is bombed by Jane Alpert and accomplices. Weathermen state this is in response to "police repression." The bomb made with ten sticks of dynamite exploded in the NYC Police Headquarters. The explosion was preceded by a warning about six minutes prior to the detonation and subsequently by a WUO claim of responsibility.[14]
July 23 – A federal grand jury in Detroit, Michigan, returns indictments against thirteen WUO members and former WUO members charging violations of various explosives and firearms laws.
July 25 - The United States Army base at The Presidio in San Francisco is bombed on the 11th anniversary of the Cuban Revolution.[12] [NYT, 7/27/70] On the same day, a branch of the Bank of America is bombed in New York.
July 28 - Bank of America HQ in NYC is bombed around 3:50 AM. WUO claims responsibility.
September 15 – The WUO helps Dr. Timothy Leary escape from the California Men's Colony prison.
October 6 - Second bombing of Chicago's Haymarket Police monument
October 8 - Bombing of Marin County courthouse by WUO
October 10 - A Queens traffic-court building is bombed. WUO claims this is to express support for the New York prison riots.
October 11 - A Courthouse in Long Island City, NY is bombed. An estimated 8 to 10 sticks of dynamite are used. A warning was given around 10 min. prior to the 1:23 AM blast by the WUO.
October 12 - Around October 12 eight bomb explosions occur, Five in Rochester New York, Two in NYC, and One in Orlando FL. Despite warnings three persons are injured, none seriously.The Weatherman never claimed responsibility for the bombings nor have they ever been linked to them.
October 14 - The Harvard Center for International Affairs is bombed by The Proud Eagle Tribe of Weather (later renamed the Women's Brigade of the Weather Underground).[18] WUO claims this is to protest the war in Vietnam. The bombing was in reaction to Angela Davis' arrest and was the first action undertaken by an all-women's unit of WUO.
October - Bernardine Dohrn, Katherine Ann Power, and Susan Edith Saxe were put on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted List
December – Fugitive WUO member Caroline Tanker, who fled the country for Cuba, is arrested by the FBI in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
December 5 - Five Weatherman are captured for trying to bomb First National City Bank of NY and other buildings on the anniversary of the death of Fred Hampton. These individuals subsequently plead guilty.
December 11 - Vivian Bogart and Patricia Mclean from the WUO are arrested after throwing an incendiary bomb at the Royal National Bank in NYC around 1:30 AM.
December 16 - Fugitive WUO member Judith Alice Clark is arrested on the Days of Rage indictments by the FBI in New York.
1971
March 1 - The United States Capitol is bombed. WUO states this is to protest the invasion of Laos. President Richard M. Nixon denounces the bombing as a "shocking act of violence that will outrage all Americans."
April – FBI agents discover what is dubbed "Pine Street Bomb Factory", an abandoned apartment utilized by WUO in San Francisco, California.
August 30 - Bombings of the Office of California Prisons in Sacramento and San Francisco, allegedly in retaliation for the killing of George Jackson.
September 17 - The New York Department of Corrections in Albany, New York is bombed, as per WUO to protest the killing of 29 inmates at Attica State Penitentiary.
October 15 - The bombing of William Bundy's office in the MIT research center.
Dec 2 - Fugitive WUO member Matthew Steen, suspected in the US Capitol bombing, is arrested in Seattle by the FBI for bank robbery but convicted of federal conspiracy and sentenced to ten years.
1972
May 19 - Bombing of The Pentagon, "in retaliation for the U.S. bombing raid in Hanoi." The date was chosen for it being Ho Chi Minh's birthday.
1973
May 18 - The bombing of the 103rd Police Precinct in New York. WUO states this is in response to the killing of 10-year-old black youth Clifford Glover by police.
September 19 – A WUO member is arrested by the FBI in New York. Released on bond, this member again submerges into the underground.
September 28 - ITT headquarters buildings in New York City and Rome, Italy are bombed. WUO states this is in response to ITT's alleged role in the Chilean coup earlier that month.
Around October, 1973 the Government requested dropping charges against most of the WUO members. The requests cited a recent decision by the Supreme Court that barred electronic surveillance without a court order. This decision could hamper prosecution of the WUO cases. In addition, the government did not want to reveal foreign intelligence secrets that the court has ordered disclosed.
1974
March 6 - Bombing of the U.S. Department of Health, Education, and Welfare offices in San Francisco. WUO states this is to protest alleged sterilization of poor women. In the accompanying communiqué, the Women’s Brigade argues for "the need for women to take control of daycare, healthcare, birth control and other aspects of women's daily lives."
May 31 - The Office of the California Attorney General is bombed. WUO states this is in response to the killing of six members of the Symbionese Liberation Army.
June 17 - Gulf Oil's Pittsburgh headquarters is bombed. WUO states this is to protest the company's actions in Angola, Vietnam, and elsewhere.
July – The WUO releases the book Prairie Fire, in which they indicate the need for a unified Communist Party. They encourage the creation of study groups to discuss their ideology, and continue to stress the need for violent acts. The book also admits WUO responsibility of several actions from previous years. The Prairie Fire Organizing Committee (PFOC) arises from the teachings in this book and is organized by many former WUO members.
September 11 – Bombing of Anaconda Corporation (part of the Rockefeller Corporation). WUO states this is in retribution for Anaconda’s alleged involvement in the Chilean coup the previous year.
1975
January 29 - Bombing of the State Department; WUO states this is in response to escalation in Vietnam. (AP. "State Department Rattled by Blast," The Daily Times-News, January 29, 1975,
January 23 - Offices of Dept. of Defense in Oakland are bombed. In a statement released to the press, Weather expressed solidarity with the Vietnamese still fighting against the Thieu regime in Vietnam.
Spring - WUO publishes "Politics in Command," which is its new political-military strategy. It furthers the line of building a legal, above-ground organization and begins to minimize the armed struggle role.
March – The WUO releases its first edition of a new magazine entitled Osawatomie.
June 16 - Weathermen bomb a Banco de Ponce (a Puerto Rican bank) in New York, WUO states this is in solidarity with striking Puerto Rican cement workers.
July 11–13 – The Prairie Fire Organizing Committee (PFOC) holds its first national convention during which time they go through the formality of creating a new organization.
September – Bombing of the Kennecott Corporation; WUO states this is in retribution for Kennecott's alleged involvement in the Chilean coup two years prior.
1976
1976-1981 the Weather Underground slowly disbands, many members turning themselves in after taking advantage of the Federal Government dropping most charges in 1973 and of President Carters offer of amnesty.
1977
November 1977 - Former WUO member Matthew Landy Steen appears on the lead segment of CBS 60 Minutes, the first and last ex-Weatherman to appear on national television, urging WUO members still underground to "re-emerge and engage change at the community level." Mark Rudd surrendered within 60 days; the remainder of the Weather leadership resurfaced the following year.
November - Five WUO members are arrested on conspiracy to bomb California State Senator, John Brigg's offices. It is later revealed that the Revolutionary Committee and PFOC had been infiltrated, and the arrests were the results of the infiltration. From this point on, some authors argue that the Weather Underground Organization ceases to exist.
1980
July - Former WUO member, Cathy Wilkerson surfaces in New York City and is charged with possession of explosives arising from the 1970 townhouse explosion.
1981
October 20 - Brinks robbery in which WUO members Kathy Boudin, Sam Brown, Judy Clark and David Gilbert and the Black Liberation Army stole over $1.6 million from a Brinks armored car at the Nanuet Mall, near Nyack, New York on October 20, 1981. The robbers were stopped by police later that day and engaged them in a shootout, killing two police officers and one Brinks guard, as well as wounding several others.

want more? We can go on to the black panthers and the black liberation army which is simply to old name for black lives matter and the killings they have comitted,

 

And now there have been rallies all over in support of Charlottesville, especially a massive counter-protest in Boston. http://www.wbur.org/news/2017/08/19/photos-boston-common-rallies

 

Every important general from a Northern state sided with his own state, and the ultimate end result was a win for the US Army. Except for the border states Maryland and Kentucky, there were very few officer level state line crossovers.

I can't believe how easy you're going on the Southern politicians.

 

Yes I think it is equal to, you went back to the civil war and I am not sure who you blame for these deaths? The republican abolitionists? Then you assume that the ones who were neo nazis in the 60s were republicans? You give one even as an example. I did not give a full list of acts committed by the left that killed people on this land. I just gave them from one group that was left leaning yet you justify all those bomb attacks, or disregard them, as if it is ok acts that people today were actually alive for. I suppose the death toll from the towers coming down was justified as well since antifa stands with the Islamic brotherhood as does BLM.

Autophobe is an antifa member, as he stated elsewhere. His list of crimes supposedly committed by white supremacists republicans was full if lies as I pointed out. This is a prime example of lies that antifa spews to increase their numbers and cause more violence directed at republicans. Calling a man who was clearly brown skinned, with a Spanish last name , dark curly hair guy is a white supremacist.

 

The problem is to defend antifa, BLM and other alt left wing racist violent groups is to defend racism. The unite the right rally was not intended to be a racist rally. The organizer was actually an obama supporter prior to voting trump. An active obama supporter until he rejected the obama administration and their bias and disregard for the people as a whole. SPLC put the organizer on the racist list too.

Antifa are just like autophobe in thinking and tactics of blaming white supremacy for the acts of ethnic looking people on white nationalists right wing racist people, even if the perpetrator is black and left. When they call for blacks only loving blacks, that is racist. Which BLM does. They blame their actions on the right, who antifa treat all right wing people, even middle of the road like they are racist. Even if you are left middle of the road you are the enemy and are considered right. I am not defending any racist and the actions of those groups.

When top BLM members call black people white washed or anti black, that is racist. It is the same thing a white nationalist will do or think when seeing a white person with a black person I suppose, but again I have never encountered such people in today's society, white nationalists, but I have encountered racism from the alt left.

 

Who were the scheduled speakers? Maybe it was but from my understanding none of the speakers were white nationalists or kkk members. Some very public racist figures refused to attend because Jewish people were scheduled to speak. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

I have looked for a list of scheduled speakers but could not find one.

 

You can construct all the monuments you want and put them in your front yard. When you put them in a public place, you're imposing them on me. The media is "hyping up" the destruction of confederate monuments because the Nazis and KKK are, and are there with shields and clubs and helmets and guns, and it makes spectacular footage. Torchlight parades! People chanting "Jews will not replace us!" How could the media pass that up? And you think it was about monuments? The culture of the Confederacy was not a culture of freedom--at least not for the slaves, and people who want to keep it alive want to do so as a symbol of white supremacy. I lost my sense of pride when the Donald took office, and only his removal from office can bring it back. VICE will publish anything sensational. I think it's stretching it to say: "Robert E. Lee today, Rushmore tomorrow!" I personally don't give a rats ass about the monuments, but I do care about Nazis, and Klan and violence, and anything that feeds them.

 

To say that the torchlight parade of people chanting "Jews will not replace us" was not racist is delusional. I'd like to see you produce credible evidence (as opposed to right wing fake news) to back up your charge that "Antifa" and/or BLM have officially endorsed ISIS. Those are tales Fox News and Breitbart make up to scare children. That extensive list of incidents you provided earlier (post 203) indicates that you are either: an operative of some right-wing nut group or an "eccentric" yourself with way too much time on your hands. The noteworthy thing about it is that most of the incidents are a bit dated, and related to the civil rights movement and Vietnam eras. The sixties and seventies were turbulent times, and some of the radicals like Kathy Boudin surfaced later to cause mischief. It's a big country, with lots of history, and if you dig deeply enough through the dustbin with a single-minded interest in dirt, you could build quite a dossier. But the propaganda motive is obvious. Why would a Canadian have such an obsessive interest in our politics?

 

The rally organizer, a man with the last name Kessler organized the rally. Look him up. Even CNN are not calling it an alt right rally which is interesting and they spoke with the organizer. Acouple dozen, as CNN states, showed up chanting blood and soil and the entire rally is labelled a racist rally by some people.! I would have stayed clear of this even simply for the threat to people's lives and the left should have just left it alone and recorded what was said rather than speculating what was to come of this.

Freedom of speech rally not organized by the alt right - is white supremacist according to the alt left

Unite the right is racist according to the alt left.

But and unity rally held by the alt left is not a racist rally.

I don't get it.

 

Wow

 

Wow do you have more to add? Or is wow suppose to say a lot? It says more about you tbh, I am pretty sure people on this board have defended violence from the alt left saying it is not BLMs fault that people rioted and destroyed things. That is my point. I am far from defending hAatred or racism, I am completely Aagainst it. Wow! Aren't you? I see guilt on both sides of the extremists that attended. You think the entire right were screaming hatred? Seems like it, but you are wrong. What I said earlier about Kessler was true. The neo nazis are using him now as a possible scape goat and trying to discredit him for the violence that happened, sAying he is a left siupporter and pretended to be right. There is also talk, maybe evidence of people being hired to riot.