CBD levels of indica

Sounds like we could solve all the ills in the world; end hunger, no more wars, Hallelujah - if I just agreed with your, self serving, simplistic point of veiw. What a load of crap (Make that well composted steer manure)!!!

Nobody wants to pay taxes, especially more taxes, but kicking in our fair share is what keeps Uncle Sam open for business; 24-7.
You imply that it's the government's responsibility to feed the hungry, yet you would have us all avoid the "tax man" - where's the logic in that?
To call what's going on in the Middle East an "Oil War" implies that we're just after thier oil - Hell, even I think think that sounds evil. I suppose you think WW II was a "Jew War" and Vietnam was a "Rice War". There is some real evil shit going on in the Middle East, but to call it an Oil War makes it sound so one way and simplistic. Sorry, I didn't mean to go off on a rant!

A lot of people don't want to see marijuana legalized because they profit from the underground, untaxed, nature of the "business". I'm not one of them!!!
My "attitude" is this: any business that shows a profit should be liable to pay a reasonable tax. If marijuana was made legal tommorow; that goes for Bill Gates of Microsoft just as well as "Joe Schitt" the pot farmer. I have never grown "for profit", but I would still expect to pay some kind of "Permit Fee" or something - would I like it?; Hell no, but let's be realistic!!! "The cost of lights and pumps - $376. The cost of seeds and nutes - $173. Not having the man breathing down your collar - priceless!!!".

I'm sure that if I lived in a tree too, I would feel differently about the way that society works. But hell, non of us really understands it - why should an Orang' be any different?

 

Just because I am a liberal for legalization doesn't mean that I condone the current system. While I agree that we need to do something about the corrupt gov'ts of the world it is people helping themselves when they start a small business.

Taxes would be ok if they were used for the right things and if we the people actually had much influence over our gov't. I understand reasons why legalization could actually harm small growers but it depends on how you legalize.

If they regulate it we can still grow it illegally you see. We could still grow our own and insure that the quality stays up there where it belongs. How it is legalized is the question that is valid. But in the end it must be legal. BOG

They can't take this over unless we let them.

 

I apologize for going off on a little "mini-rant" there!!! I really don't want to polarize anybody or cause any hard feelings!!! I certainly did'nt want to turn this into a political discussion!!! Like sibannac said, I was speaking for myself as a private grower, I would much rather be legal even if there was a reasonable cost involved. I hope we can simmer this back down to a meaningful conversation. I'm sure we all have a few things to say and maybe we can learn a thing or two from the guy on the other side of the fence!!

I reckon that I agree with most everything Bushy said there; except that I don't understand how legalization would hurt small commercial growers any more than any other small business person. Perhaps someone could enlighten me!!!
We really don't know when, or if, it will ever be legalized - let alone how it will be regulated or taxed. Actually, like sibannac said, "the removal of the prohibition of cannabis" is a lot more accurate.

I really have a lot more to say - but you know what, this thread started out about how to manipulate the CBD levels of indica; I think we got a little off topic!!! Maybe the administrators could split the legalization issue into a seperate thread in a more appropriate place - or at least give us a green light before we continue to highjack this thread - because "Toto, I don't think we're in Kansas anymore!".

 

We can discuss it here. As with many small farmers large agri-business corporations take the profit out of farming on a small scale sometimes. The price of wheat and corn is often so low that only large commercial producers are able to compete in this monopolistic capitalist spiral toward one or 2 big corporations. Then all the peons could hope for is slave labor on the farms or piecemeal work.

We could however form unions and control the fascist tendencies of gov'ts and corporatioins to conspire. But I suppose all that is just conspiracy theory eh? BOG

 

No, not at all. That makes perfect sense really! I was thinking about it from a different angle. I understand that big business pushes out the little guy, no doubt about it!!! But grade for grade; good wheat or corn is pretty much all the same, there is no gourmet wheat; just a better strain. Marijuana isn't just a raw material, it's a finished product. No corporate giant can mass produce a truely gourmet product.

I was looking at it like this. Budwieser sells a lot of beer and thier beer is pretty good. Sam Adams sells a lot less beer but thier beer is way better. Sam Adams has grown by leaps and bounds because there is a good market for gourmet beer. I bet Sam Adams started out in some guys' garage with just one guy busting his ass running his micro-brewery.
I picture legalized marijuana working pretty much the same way, the big agri-business growers will sell a lot of mediocre hydro buds down at the Seven-Eleven. But the small grower will still have a market for his "Gourmet Buds". People have always been willing to pay a premium price for a better product, I don't see that changing anytime soon. I also don't see the agri-growers being able to mass produce gourmet buds.
Some kind of growers Co-op or something sounds like the best way to go, as far as I know that's how a lot of smaller farmers operate now. I picture it working very well on two seperate levels - when that customer opens up the cooler door he can buy Budwieser or Sam Adams right off the same shelf. I believe there is a market for "mass produced" and "gourmet quality" whether it's beer or herbs.

 

My point Exactly! If mj were legalized don't expect to grow for profit, agribis will take any profit out of it by growing it cheaper than we can. While the gov will tax it to the same end, while limiting the THC to some controlled level, like they do alcohol and tobacco now.

In other words it'll be cheaper to go the store for weed than to grow it! How many people do you know grow thier own tobacco?!

Which brings up micro breweries as applied to mj, the upper middle class and beyond would have their 'Starbucks' like shops, but the bottom feeders like like myself would have to get by with packs of Gov regulated dirt weed from from a local convience store.

Sounds pretty grim to me, but then I'm just a free swingin' tree clinger, so what do I know!

 

Grim indeed. What the hell can we do when the system ruins the small businessman and the labor? Even legalizing weed sounds bad and that's part of the reason why police often want it to be a small grower market. IN many states under a certain size grow can qualify as a legal medical mari grow. It ain't really legal and yet it is.

I still can't be selfish and say it should remain illegal in any way however because people go to jail!

This is a sacrament to anyone who uses it daily for religious or spiritual purposes. We have the right to ingest any substance, especially herbs given by the cosmic spirit from the bounty. How can we let these considerations affect our judgement?

I could. I am a mortal man with selfish desires too. I want my gourmet weed to have a decent market but if that were to end I guess I could do something else. How can we rationalize and justify an injust system? When alcohol was re-legalized it wasn't as horrible as people thought. It never really became a crime to drink but only to sell and import liquor but we jail potheads! This is worse than prohibition ever was to the drunks. We must change the world in many ways.

So I say legalize and then figure out how to keep it in the hands of family businesses like small wineries. It won't be easy to create the special best that costs so much more than lower grades but quality is the goal. Remember that we can look at it with positivity or not. Pretty soon the status of pot as a sacrament will literally end cannabis prohibition in America so be prepared because the case is prepared.

Justice Roberts has outlined what standards need to be adhered to by those wishing to prosecute those claiming religious exemption. This is all precedented in the law of late and the research and documentation has been done. A church that meets all legal requirements has a grow going now. They have openly done this and even obtained an injunction to prevent local or fed authorities from disturbing their gardens.

If they do bother this church the case will be won by the church. That's my prediction anyways. It may take time but pot will be legal pretty soon. More than it already is for sure. The world will change. BOG

 

^^ where can I hear about this kinda stuff that's happening? any website or something that has really good legalization news and stuff?

 

Hey Naturalhi!

Don't be so quick to throw in the towel my friend! We don't really know how this is going to play out. I know that I'm just guessing! It may not be as bad as you think. It probably wont be as good as I think either. But to be realistic it will probably be somewhere in between!
I have no doubt that agri-business will be able to grow more economically and eventually take over the low-end market, once they figure out how to grow it. But I have more faith in you, maybe they can grow it cheaper, but you can grow it better!! Someone has to grow gourmet weed to sell to those fancy places, why not you? You already know how. And you wouldn't have to smoke the dirtweed, you would be growing your own good stuff!!!
If the gov does limit the THC% and taxes it to the extreme there are a couple of things to consider, excise taxes get passed along to the consumer (it's a business expense) as a small grower you would just pay income tax on your profits like everyone else. If the taxes are too high and the THC% is too low for the consumer; then there will still be a blackmarket for good weed - you're right back where you started!!
I don't know anybody that grows thier own tobacco, but I know that some do. A lot of people home brew beer and wine!!! It may not be that bad.

 

Speaking of which just picked up 4 snowcap, 3 trainwreck/bigbud, and a neighbor got 2 sour diesel so he could have 1 at harvest. these are clones and got them at a store front canni club just down the street in broad daylite, Thanx to Measure G passed in 2000.

So take heart guys there is daylite at the end of the tunnel!

 

Siananac, that's a perty pic until I look at it askance then it looks more like a cancer in Uranus=-P HAAHAA!

 

I'll never look at it in the same way again

 

Yeah 10-4! I've gone to NASA's web sight to DL pics like this, pretty anmazing stuff going on out there!

 

There certainly is some awsome happenings in our universe, it humbles me with it's immensity and beauty, and to think that we couldn't see any of this if it wasn't for the wonderful intelligence and imagination of scientists around the world. I can spend hours looking at hubble pics, they are far more beautiful that anything any artist could ever come up with