God is omnipotent.There are NO restrictions with OMNI-! If there is anything that I can do (such as lie) that God is incapable of doing he is not omnipotent. Thus I say the christian god does not exsist. God is omipresent. There are NO restictions with OMNI-! If God is not aware of where your eternal destination is before you are created he is not omnipotent. Thus I say the christian god does not exsist. God is omniscient. There are NO restrictions with OMNI-! If God did not know the satan would rebel and successfully tempt humanity into the FAll resulting in death, seperation from god and eternal torture for future generations of man... he is not omniscient. Thus I say the christian god does not exsist. And if he does we are not free.
Dammit! Then shouldent the vegs call us omnivores somethin else? Maybe organicmaterial-a-vores? Cuz we can't eat rocks or liquid hot magma or shit like that.
Sure there are restrictions, and they're defined in the word. Omnipotence, all-powerful, means that God possesses all power in infinite quantity. But He can only do with power, that which power can do. Power is governed by power. Power can only do what power can do. Power cannot do anything. Get it? Well, how much power does it take to bring about a logically contradictory state of affairs (like making 2+2 equal 5)? Obviously this is something "power" has nothing to do with. In regard to lying, why is it that God cannot lie? Well, not only is God an omnipotent being, but He is also a holy (morally perfect) being. Lying is a moral imperfection so the very instant God lies, He ceases to be holy. In other words, its a contradiction. Ok and this means what in regard to the Christian God? And agian, this means what in regard to the Christian God? Why? Knowing does not equate to causing.
Sneaky christians. First you say your god is omni everthing. Second you create stories about your god that are "set in stone". Next you put restrictions on your god so that your theology and stories makes sense. Finally you just redefine what omni means.
Yeah you're right. Us sneaky Christians, claiming to use the Bible, than using the Bible to back up our definitions. Not only that, but we use logic, and expect others to as well. Ah well, guess there's no hope for us.
Les jus stop that right now. Cuz the worst thing in the world would be to have another fuckin cussin-match.
Point being, the christian god cannot exsist w/these attributes and still be "good". To create a man while knowing that his destiny will undoubtably be an eternity of hell... Knowing does not equate causing? It does if you are also the orignator of all things, the first cause.
BTW, omni denotes "all" so how did I change the definition of omnipotence by claiming that it means "possessing all power in infinite quantity"?
Shane99X, Not only are you confusing the matter but you're simplifying it too. First you're still equating knowing to causing. Second there are different types of causes, for example there can be an, efficient cause, final cause, formal cause, material cause, exemplar cause, and an instrumental cause. Could it be that God has the ability to create a creature that has the potential to do one thing or the other, and the creature is the on who makes his potential actual? That it is posible that that which the creature was created for, isn't what he will become.
Alrighty. How much power does it take to bring about a logically contradictory state of affairs? The power of an electron bomb perhaps? Or does power even have anything to do with this?
Of course, but If I were to create a creature while 1.) knowing that creature will maul and kill a 3year old child 4 days later 2.) already having witnessed this mauling because I exsist outside of time. 3.) Have the power to stop the mauling or at the very least not create the creature in order that the girl be kept out of danger. ... then would not I (as the creator) bear responsibilty over that creature's actions?
Why would god be bound by logic in the first place? Are there laws that god has to follow? Is it logical for a man to rise from the dead? An ocean to part for a staff? A virgin to give birth? surely god can also make 2+2=5...
What you mention is just a consequence of freewill. Would it not be tyrannical for, say, you to simply deny someone the ability to live just because you know in advance that he wouldn't except your ways?
Nonexsistance is not a crime, nor would it be cruel. It wouldn't be anything. Think of our example of the creature in terms of Lucifer and the Fall.
Not all those who have died have remained dead. This is not a contradiction, and if it were it's based on induction. And is it possible for a sea to part? Again the parting see is not a logical contradiction, just something that is not the norm--a miracle--and may very well have a natural explaination. (Indeed, Exodus 14:21 says, that the "...LORD caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night...") Now, can there exist a posible world that does not contain the number "2"? This is a question of logic (quatified modal logic)
Again, why would god be bound by logic? Other than by choice? You never answered my question about the creature example.
