Can you prove that God exists?

I do not have any more patience for the Buddhacrap about evil not being real. Evil people do have evil thoughts and therefore evil does exist. It is not supernatural in nature, but it is real.

 

Buddhacrap?
This is not Buddhacrap, this is basic philosophy. Read some Kant or Spinoza or Schopenhauer. Agreed, they do have some arguments that are touching some of the ideas that are also present in Eastern philosophy, but don't insult my intellect by giving me that 'Buddhacrap'.

Yes, evil seems real in the mind of people. But evil is not always the same, it depends on parameters like culture and era. That is because we judge and label everything. In Nature there is no evil, beceause there is nobody there to judge.

 

Fortunately, we have a higher intellect than a basic animal in nature. We have evolved past the caveman mentality, well most of us have anyway. Maybe you want to refer to evil as a wrongdoing. Perhaps that would help you sleep better at night, but it does not deter from the fact that people who do atrocious wrongs are still evil. Labels do exist. One cannot describe a single thing in this world without using a label. Something as simple as the pronoun he or she is a label, and absolutely necessary in describing how we view the world. If you do not wish to use the adjective evil, what would you prefer to use to describe what drives serial killers to do what they do? If it is not evil that drives them, what it is? If it is not something wrong in them that drives them, what it is? You cannot claim that it is simply in their nature without labeling that nature. That nature is evil. Pure and simple.

 

As expected, I disagree. Sure, you can label something evil. That is very normal to do, we all do that. Because us humans with our tiny intellect label something evil does not mean that 'evil' itself does exist in Nature. We are merely describing a state, a feeling if you will. But we are not supreme judges, we are great pretenders. The idea of 'evil' implies a duality in Nature, which we have no way of knowing if it exists.

 

Bad people, sick people, twisted people, evil people. It does not matter the adjective used to describe it. In the end, it is still an evil act perpetrated on the innocent. You have yet to convince me that evil, in its purest form as man's desire to do wrong, does not exist.

 

I have no illusions I will convince you. Just argumenting why and where you are essentially wrong.

 

In your own little world inside that head of yours, perhaps, because I have yet to see any indication of it.

 

Personal attacks are always a great way to get any discussion on the right track. It is also a good indicator of great intellect.

 

I can't see why any logical thinking person would oppose this really... 'Evil' is an abstract concept invented by humans to define/judge/measure things or actions. It only exists in this abstract form and because we project it on certain stuff.
By the way, I can just imagine the reaction coming that God might be just an human invention as well, especially a God people have projected lots of specific things upon. My thoughts on that is yes, most likely. Any God that has a very specific personality or has specific traits and/or powers, those are most likely all projected on that unprovable concept by humans. Does this mean there is no God at all? Of course not, just because we have projected certain stuff on what we think is our God does not mean there isn't a God at all. Duh! :2thumbsup:

 

i have no interest in proving nor disproving the existence of anyone's idea of what a god may or must be. i can only tell you two things: that i have been hugged by something big, friendly and invisible, and that what people pretend to know about it, is people pretending.

 

NO.............unable to offer proof..........that's why its called faith.

 

God is a broad term applying to many things even ourselves, and could possibley be a highly advanced computer system connecting the infinate dimensions together, Yggdrassil for example is one of the main highways for traveling as well as the metaphysical internet connection to everything around us. I cant prove anything and I am not saying i belive this, but if a god of some sort were to exist i think this would be it.

 

the third order of intangibility, which encompasses any concept of a god or gods, and indeed all completely non-physical things devoid of observable and measurable effects, can never, by its very nature, be proven nor disproven.

it does appear capable of being experienced however, and anecdotal as such experiencing might be for those who do so, it IS highly suggestive.

what it does NOT suggest however, is any remotest need for whatever nonphysical things exist, to bear the slightest resemblance, to what anyone or any several, however many, pretend to know about it or them.

 

It's quite interesting... the deity I think I witnessed was a bit autonomous / robotic - yet seemingly feeling.

It's one of the main points that's stuck with me after my experience... why would it act like that?

- It could have been trying to differentiate itself from other spirits
- It could have seen that it would be the easiest form for me to accept
- It could have been my interpretation only
- Matrixy / cosmological computing ideas spring to mind
- It could just be a more natural state - a baseline of some sort
- It seemed to be in many places at once, perhaps it almost sends out autonomous entities

And I'm sure there's more I've been thinking about that don't spring to mind now...

 

What a wonderful choice of words :sunny:

 

That is the wonderful fact about science. It questions things, rather than taking everything upon faith. Without science, we would still be ignorantly living as they did in the Dark Ages. Without religion, to be more precise, we would be more scientifically advanced than we are today.

 

They used science in the 'dark ages' as well. It just has developed a lot since then. How our science would have developed without religion is not sure at all. Look at other continents and cultures for example. Did they scientifically advance without the restrictions christianity used to put on in the western world? No, they just developed differently. Also, who's taking everything upon faith? Most religious people I know question things through science just as much as anyone.

 

>no evidence whatsoever, anywhere in the entire observable universe

But I'm sure you geniuses will figure out a way to "prove" it to yourselves.

 

We have no way of knowing that.

 

I would correct it to say "without organised religion"... but his point is fair.

The enslavement and manipulation of organised religion has slowed down human progression.

However there are multiple forms of human progression and logic based progression has repressed the spiritual, which is not good for us.