Can Communism Ever Work?

Discussion in 'Communism' started by TrippinBTM, Dec 2, 2005.

  1. komunistapilipino

    komunistapilipino Member

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    Communal living has been with us since time immemorial. The first generation of mankind had practiced them. It worked!! Look at the kibbutz of Israel. Israel is now self-sufficient in food despite of its location in a barren desert. Communism works. See how relaxed Cuban workers are. They don't suffer stress in the workplace because there are no impositions on them nor threats to terminate their respective employments..
     
  2. komunistapilipino

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    Ask Obama. He is an authority on politics. He will tell you how valid the arguments are in defense of socialism and communism. He will not wince at the images of Che Guevarra and Fidel Castro flashed by the CIA in front of his podium through movie projectors if not...Who are you to tell me that. Only the professional anti-corporate activist Obama knows the truth...Obama is powerful..You try debating with him on that issue and piss him off, he will fire you. Help me Barack pleasee..Help me, BArack..God, save my soul...(cryiing) I am damned anyway...Damnit, I am IT and I am damned...(sobbing)"Damnit"-Liliana Alfano or Alfaro...
     
  3. komunistapilipino

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    "No one can truly say he/she is righteous"-Bible quoted by my God-saved supervisor, Life who behaves responsibly in the workplace and do not touch somebody's genitals like Michael R.
     
  4. Individual

    Individual Senior Member

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    Communal living is by choice not forced or mandated by government.
     
  5. komunistapilipino

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    Israel set up kibbutzes through mandate. Had they repealed the laws that set up those communal set ups? They were mandated and they worked. One reason why the laws that set them up were not repealed. Jews are better than capitalist Christ!!Capitalist Christ never bothered to sponsor free medical clinics like what the Jews did in Philippines as a mockery of Christian hypocrisy!1 Long live the socialist Jews and the Conservative Jews!! Long live Netanyahu! and Eitan of Mossad!! Mabuhay!1 Rafi Eitan is better than Christ! He finally gave me a wife to love!1 Capitalist Christ did not even bother to find me one..instead..whew!! The AZ, the apex, the zenith, the pinnacle...How I hate Him who died for the cross for me but denied me a wife..F*** o**
     
  6. political squaw

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    sure it can and it does in smaller communities. Capitalism will fall eventually just as every previous system has. The question is what happens first the fall of capitalism or we blow up this planet
     
  7. relaxxx

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    Communism is part of the fastest growing economy and superpower on the planet... China.

    While our capitalists powers continue to spiral downward...
     
  8. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    Yea except China is basically capitalist in everything but name.
     
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  10. Driftwood Gypsy

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    Yeah... China claims to be communist, but they totally aren't... they're more like a capitalism dictatorship.
     
  11. chrizt1an

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    Read this book
    ( china wake )
    It explain the fist steps of communist in china and what it did to its people to control communist upon its people. I'm not saying this goverment don't work what I'm saying is that its brutal just like the other goverments we have NOW!.
     
  12. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    If you're comparing the Mao era of China to liberal democracy governments that's pretty ridiculous.
     
  13. TheGratefulChinacat

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    Someday man, someday...
     
  14. Individual

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    ALL forms of government appear to work, to the satisfaction of those who govern and the portion of the population that experiences an acceptable level of oppression. Populations have long exceeded what is necessary so the elimination of those most undesirable to what a government can control representing a majority becomes a necessity at times. Fear is a very useful means of control, and there has always been an invisible war in progress since civilization began to conquer and accomplish rule of the world. We accept peace to be the periods of time in which the next stage of battle, whether it be violent or political are being planned. Mao was quite effective in China solidifying the Communist parties rule of the people, but Communism in its purest defined form can never be accomplished on a large scale. It requires constant attention by a ruling class that has full authority to make decisions without regard to any democratic majority. Government in the modern world is becoming a means of the governed to free themselves from making decisions, if that can be called freedom.
     
  15. bob44044

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    Only and idiot thinks it will work. They only thing that works is what comes naturally for people. Communism can't work, it is contrary to the laws of human nature.
     
  16. Culdeemoon

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    Communism has been as much a part of civilisation as Capitalism! China/Russia/Cuba/North Korea/Romania/East Germany/Albania/Hungry/Poland/Yugoslavia/Checoslovakia... The Communist diaspora that emerged in Italy/France/Spain/Germany...the Anarchist diaspora that developed in Europe/Usa/Russia/Isreal... Liberation Theology that came out of South America... Christian Socialism/Maoism/Leninism/Marxism even Social Democracy have all left their mark on society and can't be just ignored or wished away! These movements are still here and humanist thought and movements will always exist and exert an influence! Irrespective if the right wing capitalists try to downplay them and try to make them go away!
     
  17. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    Going by the list of those states it would just further back up the point communism can't work.
     
  18. Individual

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    Government of any form works by one or a combination of two methods, acceptance and/or force, with the latter eventually producing obvious consequences.
     
  19. Balbus

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    To repeat there never has been a ‘communist’ state only ones that have called themselves or been called communist. But there have been states that have had to one degree or another socialistic aspects or policies.

    In the same way I don’t believe there has ever been a purely capitalist state, (of course you would need to define what is pure capitalism anyway, but let us say here that it is a total free market). There always seem to be some limit on it.

    So rather than either/or it becomes a matter of degrees and combinations.

    You can have dictatorships that are to degrees capitalist or socialist. You can have ‘free’ states that are to a degree socialist or capitalist.

    Could there be a communist state, don’t know there hasn’t been a purely socialist state yet, would it work I’m not sure I believe it is too ridged without enough flexibility to work in the real world, but to me some socialist policies would have there uses.
     
  20. 42snihctih42

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    balbus is right, theres never been a true communist or capitalist state. for all the political rhetoric of 'free markets' the business interests follow what noam chomsky calls 'really existing free market theory', which is socialism/protectionism for us up on top, and free markets for all you down below.

    i dont think true communism will ever work but varying degrees of socialism and capitalism work fine as long as they follow democratic principles, and there have been equal violations of those principles on both sides of the spectrum.
     

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