Truly a shame... both of these individuals perished needlessly. Hopefully the officers are held accountable.
Moonglow, apparently you live in the city, not where the only things trying to cave your door in is grizzly bears or thieves, rapist & murderers. Guns DO have a place..... protection! I LOVE to target practice, & many of us who choose to live in the wilderness do. I'm 60, disabled, & the people who've bashed in my door weren't doing it to improve my health. If my rapist (old 'friend' from school) ever breakes my door down again, I'LL BLOW HIS FUCKING HEAD OFF!..... but I supose you think I should sit him down for a chat!!!! - I've been living in a camper in my garage ever since hurricane Sandy blew the roof off my house. Maybe the cops think it would be a good idea to shoot me.... bring it on pigs!
ive never cared much for the police really, but i think they are necessary in society. the cops are everywhere but i dont really interact with them in any way. you gotta do something pretty crazy to get noticed usually
Fucker waves a knife at me threatening to kill me and my dog I'd of shot his ass too. Not from 30 feet though with other officers around me. Less lethal rounds could of been used. Now if i was by myself and hes charging i wouldn't let him get within 6 feet of me. Oh and the illegal campground could of possibly been radioactive or toxic. Seen that in the movie unicorn city .
This is sad, and an indictment of American society that whenever a person is confronted by even a hint of potential violence, deadly force is applied first, not last. Americans haven't learned that non-violence is the acceptable way to deal with confrontational situations. Instead the NRA and our gun culture (going back to the Wild West days) has instilled this need to respond with deadly force to nearly every situation in which there is a conflict. This goes for our government as well. Why negotiate when you are armed to the teeth with superior weapons? You can just wipe out any adversary that stands in your way. Sorta like how the US nearly wiped out the native people of this land. And now with US economic power waning, and countries like China and Russia presenting a real military threat, you can see the conservatives reaching for their guns and nukes as that is the only way they know to deal with such "dangers". This is a sickness that fortunately most other countries haven't caught yet, although many are heading that way as they load up with arms which they will one day use on their own people. Syria is a good example!
Just imagine...the man is camped out and sleeping. Not bothering anyone. Just wait until morning and have a cop or two escort him out of there then. De-escalate the situation, not make it worse. All those cops, the lighting, the environment as a whole, they were only making matters worse than they really were. If a couple cops went up there and talked to him instead, one talk to him with another standing 15-30 feet away and at an angle, and just talk to the man like he's a human. Ok, he has mental issues. De-escalate those by talking WITH HIM. Treating him like he's a human. Not like he's some rabid animal. He's human like you and I. And he has just as much feelings and emotions as you and I.
I know I'd hate to be camped out and the swat team starts focusing on my "squat" as a criminal offence. Unfortunately, the many mentally ill in many states have no real place to live or go to that is actually safe. You know it's trying times when the police think they are a para-military force and some citizens are terrorist/criminals.
There wouldn’t have been any killing if the police officers had stun guns instead. Real guns are the work of the devil!
No, real guns require common sense. Any wonder why more cops have murdered innocent people since 9/11/2001 than all the US soldiers that have died in the same time frame?