Camper killed by Police for camping

I did suggest he may have been mentally ill, yes. What is your point? I didn't say he shouldn't have been lest he get gunned down for it as you dramatically tried to imply I was saying.

You say he didn't threaten them. You're right to a degree. He said, as part of a sentence, "I could kill you." What part of that sentence do you think the cops heard. Really heard. The part where he was saying theorhetically in another place and setting... Or the "I could kill you."

Perhaps you'd be will to do somethig as an exercise. A social experiment. Strap yourself in bulletproof clothing and hit the streets in California somewhere, maybe Detroit, or anywhere really for a few years and deal with lifes daily shit that no one else has too. Think you might get a little nerve shot on occasion? Adrenaline pumping, gun is out, guy goes to make a kinda sketchy move...

Understand me; I'm not in any way shape or form defending the killing of innocent people or the sometimes seemingly totalitarian behaviour of the police. I'm simply defending the truth (or how it seems for the time being) from the reactionary prejudice many leftist people feel towards the police. "Fuckin pigs man. I hate cops."

People judge before the facts are in because of a predisposition towards cops. That is biased and untruthful. If you want to believe in lies and prejudice that's your perogative. I do not.

It's easy to hate cops until you need one.

 

I would expect the officers to be schooled in communications skills. Coulda woulda shoulda. None of those three justify the use of deadly force under those conditions and circumstances as seen in the video. No matter what the guy said the officers were a reasonably safe distance from him. They didn't have to shoot him dead, they had tazers. Even if he said outright "I'm gonna kill you!", where was the alleged weapon at? Distance plus the lack of weapon...shows the cops were (to me) looking for a reason to kill. And considering they already have a history of killing unarmed people, another one very recently (no video link, sorry).

If those cops become more trigger happy because of their job, they need to find a different career. The role they willingly accept has stringent requirements, if not made clear by their Chief, it is still a moral and ethical requirement. If they cannot meet that requirement, then they clearly have no business even with a damned badge.

That's not what I'm hearing.

Until you need one, your life is in harms way, you call 911, and the fucking pigs either do not show or they arrest you, instead. Yeah. Let's "lovey wuvie" the fucking pigs. My ass.

The APD murdered the man. No way around it. They had alternatives, they had options, all it took was patience. Being a cop requires discernment and tolerance. Those pigs have none of that.

Today's cops are making the Third Reich look pretty damned good. At least back then they were obeying the law. Back then they were following their fuhrer. Today, there's no laws justifying this. Today you won't hear the governor or president saying to do this, or justifying it. They bastard fucks are doing it for a goddamned paycheck. Nothing else.

It's one thing to kill in the name of your country. It's a different story when you do it for a pecuniary profit.

 

What are you hearing? Sometimes we hear what we want to hear, or we hear something different than what is being said.

I don't believe I at any point condoned the behaviour of the cops, murder, or sought justification for the actions of these particular cops. Keep in mind, theorizing the events, and being sympathetic towards some of those who work in a dangerous, stressful career is not condoning any actions nor seeking justification for actions.

 

That is what I've been reading.

But I guess if you are not against them, you're for them....


This tired old debate rears it's head every time there is a police related shooting that someone videos the last 2 minutes of and presents as the "whole story".

One thing not apparent in that video is the prior history of the guy with the police.

I once knew a guy who had such a good reputation of always being polite and compliant with the police that cops who knew him would just do a felony stop on him even for running a stop sign, otherwise it was always a fight.
So yeah, I can understand what happened without condoning it,
can't some of you other people??

Also used to maintain an aquarium for a cop who worked in one of the nastier areas around here.
He started out trying to be patient and helpful, give people the benefit of the doubt, that is until such "trusting" behavior got him shot once, stabbed by a hooker another time, and blind sided with a bottle another time.

So without praising police brutality I do agree with lunar, unless you have walked in their shoes...................


I think they call it empathy.

 

The FEDS will be looking into this case :2thumbsup:

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) — The FBI has opened an investigation into the recent police shooting of a homeless camper as he appeared to be surrendering, officials said Friday.

It is the first confirmed criminal investigation of Albuquerque police by federal officials, who more than a year ago launched a civil rights probe of the department over allegations of excessive force and a spike in police shootings. Since 2010, police have been involved in 37 shootings, 23 of them fatal.

In a statement, the FBI said it will investigate the fatal March 16 shooting to "assure the public that a thorough and fair investigation will be conducted."

Community leader Ralph Arellanes hailed the announcement, but he said it was "long overdue."

"This was something that caught the attention of the world," Arellanes, director of the League of United Latin American Citizens' New Mexico chapter and a member of the city's police oversight task force, said in reference to video of the shooting that was posted on numerous websites. "It's a tremendous injustice. A tremendous tragedy. And I also think there are more cases that (the U.S. Department of Justice) needs to refer for criminal proceedings."

Albuquerque police fatally shot James Boyd, 38, in the Sandia foothills following an hours-long standoff and after he threatened to kill officers with a small knife, authorities said. He died after officers fired stun guns, bean bags and six live rounds, authorities said.


Hotwater

 

6ood work.
the bottom line is MIT study in 1971 said mAx human pop is 3.1 billion
bio-systems then break down [they are], mass extinctions follow [they are 3 species per hour], and as ppl are crammed together social violence ensues [it is] and wars over resources occur] just like now !

its good this guy got shot
theres still an excess of 4 billion ppl though.

innocent camper
?
he behaves just like the cops, he might as well have been a cop
cops shooting cop [like] s ....

great !

 

2 hours after the protest, they executed another guy. Anonymous promised they would get them and told people to go back and protest today.
Both things are now happening.

People have been at apd all day, they left, went through the civic center and to the university. Cops were all decked up in black riot gear to intimidate people and even more joined, went on through town and was heading back to the university about a half hour ago.

The video is pretty pitiful. If they're gonna get offkillin 'em like that, then they shouldn't be allowed to torment them so long/bad...just sayin'

Oh! Www.abqjournal.com

The First Protest, after which within a couple hours Redwine was shot too.
http://www.abqjournal.com/374350/news/hundreds-protest-shooting.html

 

This just happened a few months ago. Police killed a 90 pound teenager with a screwdriver.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbxbvpsIJ0A"]Keith Vidal Killed by Police Justified NC Teen with screwdriver a threat in NC investigation - YouTube

This kid reportedly actually stabbed a police officer with the screwdriver (despite there being up to three officers and they had stun guns). There isn't *anything* that would convince me that a 90 year old teenager could not have been subdued by two or three trained police officers.

Boyd only made a *threat* and he was killed for it. But I suppose they factored in his history and knew full well what Boyd's future was going to be (more of the same). Seems to me they made a judgment on his life, and executed it right away.

 

And they only seem to be getting f"for show" investigations because holder's justice dept was supposedly "investigating" them when they killed these last two. They claim they saw on redwine'sfacebook page he had bought a gun so they....yeah, retarded facebook is now how they decide....

 

i am usually one of the first ones to criticize police and their use of lethal force. but from watching this video...the guy was asking for it.

a lot of us can agree that cops are trigger happy control freaks, or something to that extent. so when they tell you to get on the fucking ground...you might wanna listen.

you also may not want to brandish a knife against three armed men. especially men that have the authority to kill you.

i don't like police, but i'm smarter than that.

 

I may not understand. What have you been reading?

 

Luna and noxious are full of it. That many bullies in no way needed to kill that guy. Fine if you want to say "depopulation" because other than thrills, it's the only justification. All that other tripe is just that, justifying speculative tripe that doesn't even go with tje whole story....and btw, the stories on BOTH people they killed this month. Which seem to get inflamed as we go along. One murder, because that's what it was, two hours after the last demonstration and if hundreds of people who are here think it was pretty much "to show us they can do what they want" then luna and noxious are just having fun being "noxious" - if that weren't true, how come they aren't talking about the second murder? Oh, neither are their hip forums attorneys. Would not look as good in the other murder since this guy was mentioned. His name was redwine and they used his sister to coax him out and shot him dead in front of her and multiple witnesses. But the feds will be looking at it, because it sure does look like a "neener neener" killing to plenty of us....meaning people actually here, of all races who have to hear about it constantly. These two are after a string of incidents and in responce to it, the police trainer said they would be training in the use of even more deadly force...but that wasn't bragged on as much when other people get a story? Nobody is protesting just to be protesting, there are two places in nm that if you go, you have more chance of being shot by a cop than anybody else. Albuquerque is one of them. Demming is the other. They are predatory and it does not appear they are after money.
The one that gave it away totally was "..it's easy to hate cops until you need one" that is so cliche and paase it's due for a third french word, "maird!" Ahahaha! "Sacre bleu!"

 

10 hours in and the protest is still going on. They won't say anymore about what anonymous is doing to them, but the propaganda just keeps growing
http://www.abqjournal.com/376399/abqnewsseeker/protesters-gather-at-apd-headquarters.html

People here are sick of it. The signs point to "indifference" and arrogance from the city. If you lived here, the "growing" list of things said about the victims would just disgust you more.

 

Ummm... What...?

 

I agree with you and a lot of people read what they think is on a page rather than what is actually written.

 

If you mean full of honest and intelligent, rational consideration of such an emotionally charged topic without resorting to simple minded responses and reactions, and the ability to separate emotion from rationality, then yes, we are full of it.

concerning the rest of your post...

 

No, I mean completely full of the arrogance it takes to sound so good to your own self, not your home, no real knowledge but propaganda and when you are told the propaganda sure grew a lot from people that actually live there you ignorantly and arrogantly start typing something you think sounds so great but just makes you look like even bigger a-holes.
That's what I meant. And you are.

 

The family insists he had a cell phone - no gun - but the news article states as a fact:

"Police said the man was shot Tuesday night after he opened fire on officers responding to a frantic call from a woman who said the suspect had pointed a gun at two girls. During the 911 call played to reporters, children can be heard crying in the background.


The family of the man, identified as Alfred Redwine, however, insisted he was not armed and only had a cellphone in his hand.

Redwine died Wednesday morning at a hospital, Albuquerque police spokesman Tasia Martinez said.



"He did not have a gun. He only had a cellphone," said his sister, Tammy Redwine, 34. "I know because I was talking to him and telling him to come out and talk to the police.""


http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/albuquerque-police-gun-man-shootout-23068494

I don't understand. How could they make the statement that he "opened fire" if he didn't have a gun? What is that based on with no gun, firecrackers?

Can't fake open fire with a cell phone. Are there apps that pretend to be gun fire? Ridiculous.

I seriously would like to know what they base "open fire" on if there really was no gun.

 

And I'm usually cheering policed on. I watched the same tactic used on a killer holding a gun. They released a dog and shot him dead when he shot the dog. I was like yeah, kill that MF'er, he deserved to die. This man did not deserve to die. He looked quite harmless. Yes he was disturbed and said shit, he also said "don't worry, I'm not a murderer". He didn't realize he was talking to murderers who would kill him a few seconds later with a confusion/dog bait atactic.

 

In the case of the person having a knife and not a gun, what is the benefit to distracting them before shooting?