Camper killed by Police for camping

Who is that in your signature? Is that you?

 

It's Fidel Castro. Why do you ask?

 

cuz I did not know....as simple as that seems.

 

Anyone who thinks that was justified has got to be fucking retarded!

Three armed police and a police dog against a disoriented man with a backpack and two small knives? Absolutely pathetic and shameful. The video says it all, they flash bang him from 20 god damn feet away. Three seconds later, before he can even think long enough to drop his bag the dog is attacking him with a cop 2-3 feet away. Who the fuck isn't going to instinctively try and defend themselves from a dog attack? But the dog is a police officer and they use that as a lame excuse for lethal force... shit moves, pathetic cowardly, inhumane shit ass moves!

 

I don't know, if you threaten someone there is going to be consequences.

I know if you head up to some of the forest service camp grounds around here you're going to run into some seriously sick/messed up people.

 

Hmm. I guess everyone actually came out ahead on this one. The law got some target/combat practice, the man doesn't have to suffer mental illness any more, the folks in their houses behind him were rid of a damn fool nuisance and taxpayers don't have to waste any dough by helping him. Nice tidy little package.

 

nice summation of the USA & its healthcare and support systems - "be sick get executed - we know your life is not worth living since you are ill and I don't want to help pay to make you better"

 

The boondocking site I go to was saying that days before there had been a hot-air balloon company was harassing him because it was one of thier landing zones. It would have been them that asked for the removal.

The dockers also seemed to think that where he was camping was completely legal according to BLM rules. I can't verify any of that. They were implying that most other agencies that aren't BLM don't know squat about what's allowed and what is not.

 

Agreed - it's important to not be sensational and reactional, but factual when looking at this kind of thing.

Still, it's a really sad thing. You would think that if they had to take action at all they could just use a tazer. Such a shame - rather disgusting that they went straight for the most violent thing they had

 

People get upset when the police use tazers because they kill people as well.

 

I have been camping in National Forest and BLM sites for decades. The rule is 14 days and you have to move at least 20 or 25 miles away. That is a federal rule. In all these years, I have never visited a camp site where the campers didn't have knives or at least a camp axe to cut wood. Are they all criminals or mentally Ill? Why do the cops have to kill first, then fill out paperwork later? Even if the guy was a mental case, killing him wasn't necessary. He must have had some family somewhere.

 

Well maybe sometime you'll be having a really bad day. You'll happen to be holding a tiny knife and the police will just happen to have a dog instead of a tazer. You just want them to hear you out but they have a little trick to end your shit quick. They can pat themselves on the back and go for coffee while someone else cleans up your blood and brains.

This is going to become a training video. Either "how not to take a disturbed man holding a tiny knife" OR "how to use a dog as bait to legally murder a bothersome human being".

The people can decide, or let the cops do what they want.

 

granted, the police most likely could have handled it much better, but the OP's source isn't really what i would consider neutral and nor a reliable source for the entire truth.

this intelligent and honest assessment gets thumbed down.....

and this juvenile conclusion gets thumbs up.....

*sigh*
that's symptomatic of what's wrong with the world today, nobody want's truth and honest appraisal, they just want a soapbox to preach and promote their agenda from.


yeah, go ahead and thumb down this one as well,...

heaven forbid that a little rational logic should ever enter into such a discussion.

 

Thank you for having the balls and objectivity to say this.

You know, a place that promotes free speech, or the idea of it (Hip Forums), is easily at risk of being so far left it becomes right when it or some of it's members are so against certain ideas and ideologies because they're too busy constantly trying to serve their own. I.E Cops are always bad, big business is bad, no laws regarding drug use, etc.

When we allow ourselves to be blinded by leftist ideals we are willing to maintain and uphold at any cost including intellectual objectivity, we become fascist.

 

I don't really have an opinion on this either way but an interesting anecdote ...back in the 80s my grandmother called an ambulance for my mentally ill uncle, who was having some kind of psychotic episode. He decided it would be fun to meet them at the door with a shotgun so they called the police for backup. When the police arrived my uncle blindly shot his gun, not really aiming for anyone in particular but the bullet did graze the nose of a paramedic.

Not only did they not shoot him dead on the spot as would happen now but they did not even arrest him.

The times they are a'changin

He was actually subdued somehow, I'm not very clear on the details, and then taken to a mental hospital. Of course, funding for the mentally ill has been reduced drastically since the 80s and there are very limited resources these days.

 

Kinda. I worked for the USFS for a couple years and what I learned is if it's upto the maximum time allowed, then after the 14 days is reached it's 25 air miles. In some areas it can be more and in some areas it can be less.

You can drop off at DZ, hike for 1.1 mile (no more than a hour hike) to site A, stay for 5 days; then 1.26 miles (no more than an hour & one half hike) to site B, stay for 3 days; then 2.6 miles (no more than 2 hours hike) to site C, stay for 5 day; then 1.3 miles (no more than an hour hike) to site E, stay for 4 day; then 2.35 miles (no more than two hours hike) to site F, stay for 2 day; then .5 mile (no more than 20 minute hike) back to the Drop Zone, and stay for a day waiting for your lift. I did this example on map with aerial photos as well, and I may post those later if anyone is curious about the example used.

You just camped in at least 5 different sties within close proximity to each other, got no less than 9+ miles of hiking, 20 days of camping, and the sites are so close that if you cannot hike the country and get to know it pretty well, then you’re lazy or too physically impaired to be camping alone in that country. No different, really, than if you stayed in the very same campsite for the entire 20 days, you just did it legally (though in a grey area). (please see attached map for reference). My experience is if you’re good to the ranger and good to the land, they may not be hard on you for camping there. One time I camped for 22 days in one site. The max. limit there was 18 days, but I was also getting compliments for picking up the litter. I had every road within a 3 mile range picked up. Does that always happen? No. And I say this is in a grey area because of the small area the example is within. I have seen people camp out in one spot, try to stay for a while, they’ll be nice to the ranger so they can stay longer, then they’ll try homesteading the site. I saw that twice. And last I knew the Homestead Act is no longer in force. And the chance of you making the government honor a homestead is between nil and none. And that is first reason they put up a limit many years ago, and now it’s enforced also for environmental and wildlife reasons.


Here’s the rules, to help you-
http://www.blm.gov/nm/st/en/prog/recreation/recreation_activities/camping.html

What I see the issue as is the cops didn't want to waste their time with this guy. Is that right? No. Is that wrong? Not entirely. Not entirely because he apparently has a history with these guys. But no matter- they had options, they had alternatives, they could have done the very same job, no shots fired, and no one harmed, it just takes a few more minutes and a little bit more patience. They had the time, they just didn't have the patience.

Is that who we want carrying badges and guns? People that are so willing to kill on a whim? And then, is it killing, or is it murdering?

Careful how you answer that, you just may justify the same act if they do it to you.

 

in fact you were the one to talk about the illness possibility first and they attacked first and he was just reacting out of fear or shock

Video shows when officers moved in on Boyd around 7:30 p.m on the night of the shooting. At the beginning of incident, Boyd can be heard saying, “In a private world, if you were down at a bar or a bus stop, I would have the right to kill you right now because you’re trying to take me over. Don’t get stupid with me!”
Video shows Boyd then began grabbing bags and attempted to leave when officers started their use of non-lethal force.
As Boyd is moving, officers then threw a flash bang and released a K9 which appears to bite Boyd in the hand. Chief Eden said officers also used a taser gun and bean bag rounds. Two officers, Dominque Perez and Keith Sandy then both fired three bullets each from their department issued rifles, causing Boyd to fall to the ground.


plus note - he did not threaten them - just posited what could happen in a different situation.

 

You guys get that lunarverse was not actually saying, "they were absolutely correct to shoot and kill this guy," right?

Pointing out that we don't have all of the information is not the same as saying that the police acted correctly.

 

I bet that homeless man couldn't escape threat (the receiving end and giving it back) if his life depended on it. He called himself "Department of Defense". He probably spent his entire life fighting. Sad, the only escape from Hell was death.

 

You seem to know a lot about the life and private thoughts of this man.