CAMPBELL34 VS. LIBERTINE :The War To Settle The Score...

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You were absolutely 100% accurate, so far, thumontico. I guess that makes you a PROPHET! Hallelujah!

And furthermore,


I DO refuse to offer any advantage to the theist until the theist PROVES that there is even a "supernatural" realm to consider.

And "mysteries" and "feelings" DON'T COUNT. That is simply appealing to ignorance and anecdotes. FALLACIOUS ARGUMENTATION.

If not, he may as well say "oanhfihufghkla", because that's how meaningful "supernaturalism" is without any reason or evidence to support it.

 

The theist and atheist debate is pointless neither side can prove or disprove a God. It gets people no where. Basicly all it is is "Prove God" "No you DISprove God" honestly Libertine can you prove there isn't a God? No you can't you only go by what you have faith in. And the same goes to Cambell.You are debating over Faith which isn't able to be debated on. Furthermore I have a question for Libertine. Do you know everything? *i assume you'll say no* Okay then, is it possible *key word* that there is a God, seeing how you don't know everything? And if out side of your limited knowledge there is the slightest possiblity there is a form of a God and you acceppt that then your not an atheist but agnostic.*Sorry if you've said you were agnostic and not atheist but i honestly don't have the time to search and find it myself*

This post is by no means meant to take sides or bash or what not just my point of view.

 

everything youve just said has been said many times before.

 

ok lib explain how this world came about


the fact that the earth is prefectly situated just right so that it dosent freeze or boil

 

Indeed it has, Colours, indeed it has.

Kris apparently, once more, wants to rehash the illogical, fallacious "shifting the burden of proof".

Seriously, Kris don't you know NO ONE can prove a universal negative.

Can you PROVE that invisible, intangible fairy-trolls aren't shoveling shit out your asshole everytime you crap? No. You can't. But, do you live your life by believing that? No, you don't.

But, according Pascalain argumentation, perhaps you should, otherwise the fairy-trolls may get pissed and set fire to your shit and you'd have blazing squirts...

 

Lol i know, just like every debate in the relgious part of the forums have been saud many times before lol

 

Lib that was an unbiased post, so how can i be shifting the burden of proof? Also chill out some it was directed to the both of you.

 

That's not my job. I wasn't there to see it, so the only way is to form a theory and I haven't all the information at hand to form one. But, I can say that just because I can't (yet) explain it, maybe someone else can. But, even if they can't, that is not evidence for "viola! God did it!"...

UNEXPLAINED DOESN'T EQUAL SUPERNATURAL.
UNEXPLAINED DOESN'T EQUAL EVIDENCE FOR THE SUPERNATURAL.
UNEXPLAINED DOESN'T EVEN MEAN INEXPLICABLE.
UNEXPLAINED MEANS UN-EXPLAINED.

 

Prove there is NO God?

FALLACY.

Prove there is NO Santa Claus.

No one can prove a universal negative.

 

The subject of my post was on the debate it self, note how i said neither side can prove there point sorry if i didn't post it as clear as I thought I did.

 

My point is doubting there is "God".

Campbell34's the "theist". He is the claimant.

The burden of proof is on the claimant.

You stated "You can't prove there's not a God"...wtf??

THAT IS A UNIVERSAL NEGATIVE.

 

Honestly, I said "you can't prove and he can't prove" take it as it is and try not to complicate something simple

 

I don't have to prove anything. I am not the claimant.

Simple enough??

 

life is very complex
look i am made up up of billons of cells whic are made up of trillons of atoms which have SUPERSMALL electrons orbiting them

there has to be some kind of intellect behind it.
Some say that it happened by chance
by chance yeah right
everything is nothing and then BANG there is somthing
that really sounds just as far feched as God

 

Delfo, it is more probable to believe that all matter/energy has an element or degree of life and/or consciousness than to believe in an Invisible Sky Daddy outside it all.

Pantheism is much more believable to me than Monotheism or even Polytheism.

Yet, I am not quite convinced of it either.

 

With regards to campbell34's post:

Several years ago, before I was confirmed, when I used to go to church every Sunday, pray every night, and actually did truly believe in God, there were many events that led me astray from Christianity.

Back then, my parents were at eachother's throats more often than not. They would constantly abuse eachother verbally and shout insults and slam doors and say things like "I wish I could wring your neck!" et cetera. As a young kid with a child abuser for a father, this tore me up emotionally, and I remember so many times where I would come home, even from church, and just go into my room and cry for even over an hour, while my parents continuously fought, day in and day out.

Every time this happened, I would lay on my bed and cry, and eventually sit up and kneel down on the bed, and I would pray to God and beg him to make things a little better with my parents so that I wouldn't have to feel this way all the time. And I pleaded, and went to church every day, and gave what I had when the communion plate came around. And, every time this happened, I picked up the Bible that I had in my room, and I actually started *reading* it until I felt better, even if it was just to take my mind off of things.

Being a believing Christian, who prayed wholeheartedly and believed wholeheartedly, who read the Bible, and gave literally half of his earnings for communion, and went to church every day to sing and pray even more ...

Nothing ever came of it.

God never helped me out; to this very day, my parents are in the exact same states. As a matter of fact, I have a voice message on my cellphone from my mom saying, "Hey honey, just letting you know, your father and I aren't getting along well at the moment, so I'm spending the night at Grammy's. I still love you, though! Have a good night!"

No matter how inspiring your story about how God helped you get a job is, God failed me.

Eventually with me, things declined until I was at the point where I decided to kill myself. I literally had a knife stuck halfway into my stomach, until my mom knocked on my door, so I grabbed an old shirt and covered it up and answered my door, and decided to wait another day in case she came back.

The next time I went to kill myself, my friend Jon suggested that I try smoking marijuana instead. If it were not for that, I wouldn't be here right now.

God failed to help me where the chemistry of a herb did not. I hate to bring up this anti-inspiring story, but I just wanted to point out that, if there is a God, he must have been busy finding some guy a job while I suffered in my room.

Campbell, two things: (1) I REALLY don't mean any offense, I'm just stating my point of view, so don't take what I said personally, and (2) I'm looking forward to your comments.

Read the bolded text: "He pointed it at him and pulled both barrels. Neither barrel fired. ...it was a crude home made model."

Quirky things tend to happen with crude home-made models.

I asked both participants ahead of time if they would allow me to interject, sort of like a witness testifying.

Art Delfo:

Think about this.

"everything is nothing and then BANG there is something" you say?

Well what about God? God is something. How did God come about? How was He created? Did he manifest himself? Does that even make sense?

God manifesting himself makes ... APPROXIMATELY as much sense ... as the Universe manifesting itself.

Just because we shrug it off and say "Oh God can do that kind of thing" doesn't mean it makes any less sense, nor does it mean that the alternate (the Universe doing that kind of thing) is any less plausible.

You say "there has to be some kind of intellect behind it"

Well what intellect created God? His own intellect? Wait a second ....

... wait for it ...

Okay, I got nothin'.

 

You know Im a panthesit thinker
the way I see it we are at one with god in that we are all his power
So in a way Im a Panthesit-monotheist

that is the only way god could actually make sense
othrwise I gess I would be athesit or at least agnositc
had my veiw of god not been expanded

 

For every inspiring story there is an equal ANTI-INSPIRING ONE.

So, apparently, "God's" record is that of the four-leaf clover. 50-50.

Hey, I've got a new idea for FROSTED LUCKY CHARMS. A Clear-colored "God" marshmallow.

 

"what created god?"
nothing made god because he is the only thing that we could say is real

I dont really feel like talking about it
i g2g
search around for the I laugh at myself and all of you thread and read my theorys and stuff