CAMPBELL34 VS. LIBERTINE :The War To Settle The Score...

NaykidApe- MrRee is a clever moron. Lots of twisted facts and references. This would be an ad hominem if it wasn't true.

 

See the following link concerning Wyatt's claims. And also note that many of the sites disputing Wyatt's claims are 'Christian sites' that provide rational argument against these claims:


http://www.ldolphin.org/wyatt.html

and also see

http://www.isitso.org/guide/wyatt.html



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MrRee,

My apologies, I see that you have posted some of links that are listed on the first links page that I posted (in my last post, above).

David


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Also, I wanted to add that, as I recall, I have seen, in the past, valid observations that strongly indicate that the Pharaoh actually did have armys of chariots large enough to fill the stated size of the army that 'gave chase' in Exodus (I believe it is 600 chariots). The evidence consisted of archaeological 'digs' of stalls for chariot horses, I will look for this and post it when I find it.


[Edit: of course determination of geographic location is significant and is addressed in the evidence that I recall seeing]
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Great links all the same David, Thanks ~
Ron Wyatt, who has been telling his tales of discovering Noah's Ark, the chariots of Pharaoh, the pillars of Solomon, the true Mt. Sinai, the tomb of the Patriarchs, Sodom & Gomorrah, the place of Christ's crucifixion, and the Ark of the Covenant for many years,
has been documented as an archaeological fraud.
Both former "friends" as well as professional archaeologists in his own denomination (Seventh- Day Adventist) have published detailed refutations of all of his "discoveries." Rather than go into such details here we refer those interested in the documentation against Wyatt to request a free packet of papers by archaeologists in Wyatt's denomination from: Dr. David Merling, Associate Director & Curator, Institute of Archaeology, Horn Archaeological Museum, Andrews University, Berrien Springs, MI 49104-0990.



Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 10:13:12 +0300 (IDT)
From: jo@israntique.org.il
To: jsearcy@connecti.org.il
Cc: Harriet@israntique.org.il
Subject: Re: Ron Wyatt

Dear Mr. Searcy

Mr. Ron Wyatt is neither an archaeologist nor has he ever carried out a legally licensed excavation in Israel or Jerusalem. In order to excavate one must have at least a BA in archaeology which he does not possess despite his claims to the contrary. We are aware of his claims which border on the absurd as they have no scientific basis whatsoever nor have they ever been published in a professional journal. They fall into the category of trash which one finds in tabloids such as the National Enquirer, Sun etc. It's amazing that anyone would believe them. Furthermore, he has been throughly discredited by various Christian organizations such as Creation Research in Calif. For the latest on his "discoveries" I suggest going into the WWW (use Vista) someone called Tentmaker decided to do an expose of his various claims. Here you will find the truth, which is more amazing that his (RW) fictions.

Shalom Joe Zias
Curator of Anthropology/Archaeology
Israel Antiquities Authority
POB 586, Jerusalem




What appears to be lost in these discussions is the propensity of apologists to not only believe such frauds, but to defend them and cite them as evidence.
Sadly, the only evidence it provides is that such apologists are deluded, and therefore incompetent of rational discussion. And given that one said apologist openly reveals and cites personal schizophrenic episodes as evidences that confirm his beliefs, one truly wonders if sanity is present in any way, shape, or form, in his thought processes.:&

 

BINGO

 

MrRee,

Dude! you misquote, misread, and misinterpret everything I say and then get bent because I take your "no evidence" and paraphrase it as "none"?

Are you fucking crazy?

 

the first time I replied to this...

I should have just said, "You completely missed the point" and left it at that.

 

Christainity is, really, a complex set of sects and, certainly, early 'Chirstians' practiced and believed in manys differently from most modern Christians. Many of the early sects transformed or "ended" or where destroyed or nearly destroyed:


http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/?040308ta_talk_remnick

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/

http://www.earlyjewishwritings.com/

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/q.html

http://www.religioustolerance.org/gosp_q.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian




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The prophecy of Tyre is yet to be fulfilled. But keep in mind, often we mistake ancient places for locations the Bible did not entend. The Bible also speaks about Babylon's distruction. Yet Babylon was never destroyed either. A careful read of the text will reveal that the Bible was speaking of two Babylon's. One which was ancient, and the other a younger nation, located elsewhere, also called Babylon. This Babylon is described in Jer. 50 and 51 and Rev. 18. The future Babylon would be built on many waters not in a desert. She would have a mingled people living there, she would mount up to heaven, and make the merchants of the earth wealthy, she would have her own inland sea, and would have an enemy to her north that would attack her when she was unaware. The attack would set all of Babylons cities on fire, and her end would come in one hours time. This kind of destrutive warfare did not exist in ancient times, but has come into existance in our generation.

I'm sorry, but there is a little more there than just a bunch of chariot wheels. You really speak way to simplisticly, and have failed to speak or consider all other evidence given. And what it does prove, is that the story that people have stated was false for years, was not. And you can draw that conclusion if you carfully consider ALL the evidence.

 

Free will requires the ability to make a choice. My choice was to fight the Devil. That was my choice, and with God's help the two spirits had to leave. That's free will. I don't need a dictionary, I made my choice. People on this fourm have the same choice. They can serve God or they can serve themselves. It's your choice.

 

So this article would have us believe that Dr. Moller, Colin J. Humphreys of Cambridge University, and a number of other high ranking men in their field of expertise, are all part of an elaborate scam. All these professional people putting their careers, and credibility on the line, just to keep Wyatt's fraud alive. If you believe that, then you might believe America never went to the moon. I believe a number of Wyatt's claims are false, but I don't believe Wyatt thought they were. I believe Wyatt's two claims were true. Mount Sinia, and the Red Sea Crossing site. To believe that all the evidence now seen in Mollars book, was just staged would be pretty hard to believe. Yet, if their claims are false, then in short, all of these professionals will look like fools, and they better consider looking for new professions. Yet from evidence seen, I don't see that happening.

 

I have considered some of the sites yet wyatt has been dead for about three years now. What ever their arguements are, the evidence is weighted against them, especially when it comes to Mount Sinia, and the Red Sea Crossing Site. It's hard to believe that Moller and Humphreys of Cambridge University and others are putting their careers on the line to push a lie. As I have said before, I do not believe all of Wyatt's claims, but I don't believe Wyatt was a liar. I believe he believed his claims were true. I could go into that with a little a more detail, but that would take us in another direction. Wyatt got to close to the truth, so I believe it was important to discredit the man. This happened because of things Wyatt said that did not reflect reality. Yet his first findings were accurate, and are being verified.

 

Free will is a choice. Thats why the Bible states "choose this day who you will serve." The more you give into the Devil, the more you lose your ability to choose. When you have sold out to him completely, you will of succeeded in giving him your will. Now he will control you. Do you ever wonder how young boys can go into school and start killing other kids without any feeling of remorse. They without knowing it, have given their will away to the one who hates God above all, and the human race. The Devil is looking for people who will give over to him their wills. When you reject God, you often become a canidate for his exclusive club.

 

Free will, campbell?

Answer me a question.

Does God KNOW what we will do or does he just guess?
What does the word "know" mean?
What does omniscience mean?
If I KNOW something will happen (humans can only guess, but suppose I knew) then what are the chances of this changing?

 

Good point, Fuzz.

 

You made that exact post pages ago, and I answered it.

 

Nah, you never answered it. You just expelled more verbal diarrhea.

 

BORN AGAIN is the key word... Read John 3