CAMPBELL34 VS. LIBERTINE :The War To Settle The Score...

Senseless, INDEED. Just like your "God" and his "Buy-Bull".

 

I had an experience with demons back in 1973. It came about in my case by transference. Yet the Bible warns about giving place to the devil. When you turn from God, you open yourself to demonic attact. I was not just calling names when I spoke to Libertine of this, and I did not mean any disrespect. We all have free will, until we give it away. The devil has his greatest power when a person turns from God. The person is not usually aware of the influnce the devil has over their actions. When their will is finally gone, then you may be looking at a person who's actions become extream. When you counter the devil with the name of Jesus Christ, you will really see the extreams. I have some experience in this area.

 

RE: Back up to your Rowan Atkinson comment, if the Jews were right, then 12 of those jews wouldn't have left Jerusalem after Christ was crucified. Unless, of course, he rose from the dead.

Unless the NT is lying...

RE: Would they preach Christ being God for any other reason? They were Jewish themselves, they knew if they were wrong then they'd have to face punishment in the afterlife.

There are Christians that fell into the Branch Dravidian cult. What's your point?

 

Explain this to me, you are saying anyone who verifies Wyatt's claim has a stake in his cause. Please tell me, does the scientist need to worship Satan before you will accept Wyatt's claim? And what if that devil worshipping scientist parents were christians, would your reject his claim then to?

 

No, he's asking you to provide sources other than the department of Theology.

Your evidence for this is literally the ravings of a madman.

 

Campbell, your sources wouldn't get you a passing grade on a high-school report. You have got to do better if you hope to be convincing.

 

So was Emily Rose... check out the movie

 

There is no evidence of any so-called "apostle" existing, teaching, or migrating; outside the convoluted imaginings of christianity that is. Just like their supposed "saviour", none of them existed. Any imbecile who checks the authorship of NT books on even the most basic of levels can tell you that.
But how do christians get around such facts? Easy ~ christians don't need facts!! do they erise??
http://www.biblestudy.org/question/sauldie.html
The Bible does not tell us how or when the apostle Paul died, and history does not provide us with any information. The only thing we have to go on is Christian tradition,

 

Except, you know, that we have many (if not all) of their bodies.

I believe there is even a holiday in one country about the transferring of the Body of Thomas.

 

Time to wake up erise !!
Even Christians say
The only thing we have to go on is Christian tradition

 

Not true MrRee. Almost all scholars--I'm talking secular scholars now--are in agreement that the man who came to be known as Jesus of Nazzerth existed, that he was a teacher with a large following, and that he was probably crucified during the riegn of Tiberius about the time the gospels say he was (I would give you a link but just about any link by reputable--non-christian--bible scholars or historians will tell you the same thing).

As far as the apostles go we do have at least one non-scriptural reference to the ministry and crucifixitions of Peter and Paul.

An epistle by Clement, bishop of Rome, believed to have been written sometime between 87-98 AD (do a google search on Clement).

Considerring that it was written well within a human lifetime of the event, and in the same district where it was supposed to have taken place, it's unlikely that Clement would have made such a claim in the presence of critics who could have easily disputed it.
Historians (not all of course) consider this to be a fairly reliable account.

Of course you always have to take into account (as I'm sure you do) that the writings of the early church fathers, like the scriptures themselves, were subject to editing and interpolation by their succesors.

As far as the rest of the apostles--you're right.

Aside from Peter, James, and John (and possibly Phillip) the New testament doesn't even mention what they did after the "resurection", let alone nonscriptural evidence.

All we have are alot of (conflicting) traditions.

 

Sticks and stones....

I have had experiences with demons, under disguises of celtic "gods" before as well.

 

Demons cannot possess the bodies of a true Christian but they can still have their attacks. Campbell in the past was attacked. I have heard the tapes.

 

I would like to hear this experience...

 

Ask Campbell for copies of his "exorcism" they are about 30 years old or so but they are still ledgiable.

After you listen to them, you can send them to the mental hospital and turn him in : )

 

When an exorcism is performed people generally tape it for the record. Seriously, The Exorcism of Emily Rose portrays demons pretty accurate and explains alot.

Infact I have a tape of actual demon exorcisms and a guy that explains all of them as he casts them out. It is here right on my desk. The tape is called: "Dealing with Demons" By E.B. Rockstad. This tape I find far more interesting and shocking then Campbell's exorcism because the people on it are actually possessed.

 

Crack and Chrstians... Do you see the oxymoron here? You know you aren't doing an exorcism correct when the people are dying! ; )

 

If they were trully following the Lord they would not be on crack thus be a true Christian. For you see, when one is on crack that become's there Lord-there God. Keep mind the first commandment: "Thall shalt not have any God's before me."

 

I think I misread your post and you misread mine. : )

 

No such thing as a percent... it is all or nothing. However, many come in Christ's name. They claim to no Him but deny him through their actions. These type of people worship with with their lips but their hearts are far from Him.

That is why Jesus states:

Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

I never knew you? ... How do you "know" Jesus then?