CAMPBELL34 VS. LIBERTINE :The War To Settle The Score...

Tell me how, besides some INCREDIBLY WEIRD, INSANE COINCIDENCE, the prophecy isn't fulfilled?

 

if the bible is proven 100% accrate then it is the word of god because it has no flaw
that is the logic behind it.I gess anyway.

 

I tell you what, Erise. I will reserve judgment on this claim until I do further research. Until then...

Repeat the theme of this debate.

HOW DOES THIS PROVE OMNI-MAX DADDY?

 

Prove there is a "God" to have a "word"...Delfo.

You are trying to use the Bible to prove the existence of "God"? So, can I use "Gone With The Wind" to prove the existence of Rhett Butler? I mean there WAS a war between the States, right? And Atlanta WAS burned to the ground, right? So, it's historically accurate-- THUS THE WHOLE THING IS 100% ACCURATE!

 

I just say that the sheer complexity of life and nature proves god and the whole "Intelgent Design" theroy

and I just think that.That is all.God seems logical to me.

I know pepole say "Who made god" But I say that one thing allways has to exist.Somthing neverending.Ok mabye you could say it is the tao(pantheism) but ya know all these religons and wirtings has to mean at least somthing right?

 

"Intelligent Design" is proof ?

Firstly, to argue that humans - or any life forms - are complicated and therefore need a designer/creator is absurd. The same arguments have to be applied to both sides - i.e. if complex life forms need a creator, surely the creator of these complex life forms would be significantly more complex and itself need a creator?

Secondly, a creator would not be able to occupy any position in space/time and therefore could not exist. The universe is, by definition, all there is (talk of "other dimensions" is irrelevant, they still come under the blanket heading of "the universe"). To be able to create the universe, the creator would have to exist outside of the universe, which is logically impossible.

Unless you use the term "supernatural" (transcendent of the natural)...which cannot be shown at all to exist.

So, it's an impossible deity and an impossible realm that you are asking me to accept here, just because you say the universe has design...have you seen the universe outside of your on little world? It's anything but chaotic, isn't it? ha ha

 

You have your opinion and I have mine
Spirtuallity uplifts me.It some how makes me feel good.Being a good person as best I can,Knowing that god loves all life ect.Is satsifling.Even if its all crap at least when I'm on my death bed I wont say "Oh fuck I wasted my life." Because when you beleave somthing and live it and let it fill you and go after your dreams and needs you become satisfeied with life that you are content and happy.Spirtuallity offers me that.How ever at the present time I wonder if Christanity can offer me that.......I'll figure it out eventually.

 

Your life. My life.

Doesn't prove anything objective, which is, ironically, what this debate is supposed to be about.

 

The Bible, not good enough.
Experience, is subjective...not good enough.

Somehow proving Omni-Max Daddy more reasonable than "his" non-existence, good enough.

 

god is not an objective concept
its somthing you feel really

But I say that Ultimate reality can bring all prehception togther.

Ok I will try this one more time

Each person is binded by their own senses and preception
This differs form person to person form animal to animal
have you seen what a bee sees through its eye its wild
but it is equally as "real" as ours
So what actually can bring these all together
what dose reality actually look like?
God (when saying he is all seeing) would have the whole picture
That is point one

Somthing cant come form nothing
But then if there is no god....then where did we come form
If there is nothing beyond time
no soruce of every thing
then where did we come form.
Then why do things exist
it must has some purpose
that is point 2

 

So, "God" is subjective.

Damn, it took over 400 posts to prove me....................................RIGHT?!?

 

Well every thing is subjective inculding the concept of god
look at how many religons there are
but there still is some kind of Ultimate reality ("objective") of some kind
I call it god.But that is subjective...

 

Are you drinking, Art?

 

Im 14 how I could be drinking?

 

Easy. I was drinking at 12!

I had connections.

Nevermind. Be good. Don't drink.

 

LOL...

 

dont worry I never liked the smell of beer anyway

 

You must be a clone of campbell34 as you come up with identically exact textual manipulatations. Even your phraseology is identical, which is myserious top say the least.
The so-called "east gate of the temple" has been demolished 3 times along with the entire wall, so your so-called prophecy is nothing other than manipulated fabrication in support of false presumtion that rewrites the OT to suit your religious model. Now answer in campbell34's way and bleat that the walls were rebuilt, the answer to which is that despite prophecy saying not one stone would stand upon another, period, the walls have been continually rebuilt. Therefore the "prophecy" is false, as are the assertions of those such as yourself(ves).
Deception is the art of the christian where truth is the need. You can't even save yourself from your own deceiptfulness yet believe you can save others. What a sad joke you make of truth.

 

Thanks for your input, MrRee.

The truth of the matter is that these two don't have any evidence so they have to fuck around and run to their fallacious arguments and "interpretations" constantly.

Ok, Campbell34, if you can have a tag team partner, so can I.

 

guys

check out the new sticky on philosophy & religion regarding formal debates.

the forum mod meagain will host any debates and there are clear rules and protocol..
i think it's brilliant.

there will be a sister thread for comments from people observing the debate and onlookers can have a poll to determine who wins.