Calling all seekers!!!!

Everything xexon says is rooted in the assumption that his own state of being is more advanced than that of most other people.

I honestly don't know if the guy is genuinely 'there' or not, but something about his brand of 'enlightenment' makes me very uneasy... I think perhaps it's the fact that he's so anxious to accept praise that it almost seems like he craves it. In fact, he seems to demand it with everything he says-- and not demand it in a dignified sense, more like he's looking for followers, or trying to convert people to some really spaced-out cult.

 

almost all of us have been as such at one time. its a phase,

 

Were not baby birds, and there is nowhere to fly to, other than outer space, which is where we're going one day, unless religious fanatics have their way and destroy the world.

It's not that I 'used to believe' in anything in particular.

I think you're simply on a massive ego trip here, and frankly I'm bored with your arrogance and blindness. Also like most who hold views similar to your own, you try completely to ignore scientific fact which doesn't tally with your own huge fund of 'knowledge'.

If you think putting oneself into a state where one can no longer function properly as a human being is cool, get on with it. One day it is you who will wake up perhaps, or else no doubt spend the rest of your precious time here on earth repeating glib nonsense you've read in books on mysticism, while telling everyone else how enlightened you are.

 

cut him some slack. many people pass through that delusion/state while seeking their own truth.

life has a way of teaching one that he is not on top of the evolutionary/spiritual pyramid. you dont need to do that.

 

I agree - but perhaps the reactions of people here might help the process along - and I for one wouldn't want the kids who come on here to see this stuff un-challenged.

 

What I am seeking, at this point, is simply information so that I can decide what I believe for myself. I am just beginning this quest. I have been to church three times a week my entire life and taught sunday school for sixteen years, and I feel so disheartened by the whole institution.
So this spring I quit church and just started reading whatever I can find about different paths. Who knows, even if I end up back where I started, at least then my beliefs will be my own, and not just my indoctrination.

 

Good luck, elayne, on your spiritual journey.

Peace and love

 

That's a good approach. The trouble is that on these boards are many people who have some kind of personal agenda, often concealed from themselves. There are several who claim some form of 'enlightenment' then go on to act like people completely dominated by their own ego and self esteem. They like to imagine I suppose, that they are 'masters' of some kind - I don't know. I can only surmise from what they post.

Anyway, I wish you good luck in your quest to find a better way.

 

Agreed. Only once did I accuse a member
here of this mentality only to find myself
proven wrong in a matter of minutes. But
that was an exception
What I found works best for me is to simply
read as much as you can. The word's of
others on the same path always give support
and guidance. But keep an open mind, read
between the lines, and never forget that
God is directly personal with you, so the
word's of others sometimes only apply to
themselves.
Just talk to God openly and honestly, or in
your mind silently.
It doesnt much matter about the people
whose ego tries to hold you down by making
you feel belittled, in time their confusion
will become apparent to you and you most
likely will feel nothing but compassion for
them.
No one on a spiritual path should be made
to feel unimportant or less advanced.
How warm and welcoming is that?
I highly doubt, for some reason, that God
has an ego :tongue:

 

Wise words Relayer.

Peace and love

 

For me it's about levelling -

Not trying to make anyone feel bad -

If it was just someone I met casually, who came on in this way, I'd probably smile to myself and ignore it. But as I say, there are many kids looking for something more from life than either stock religion or materialism, and I don't see that coming from the likes of x no matter how farout he says he is.

It's also characteristic of people of this type that they simply assume with no basis that they've seen what the rest of us poor deluded souls haven't.
They fail entirely to see that experiences can have more than one explanation, or that their own conditioning may be controlling their interpretation of such experiences.

I'm sure you are aware that generally hindu mystics have hindu type experiences, xians xian type etc. They can't all be right, so perhaps there is a much deeper layer of stuff which they entirely miss.

In seeking to be more than human, they become less than human. In proclaiming their enlighenment they prove their lack of enlightenment.

 

Surely all any human can do is their best. Don't fret about it. We're all in the same boat. If we do ever have to go and explain what it was we were doing on earth better to be wrong and say "i did my best" than be right and say "I did it because he told me to" IMO.

 

I've encountered this so many times
that it seems to be a pattern.
Good thing I got over this stage of
self delusion during my lsd fueled
teenage years lol.
We could probably even collect
samples and start up a programme
on staging the deluded phases
we all go through on our 'path'.

I think maybe the best path is the
one you are on once you realize
that you are indeed, on a path.
Cant go wrong from there -

 

Thanks for the heads up and kind wishes! Actually, I've seen many people in churches who believe that they have a monopoly on Truth. They can experience one "revelation" during their personal devotions, and consider themselves a prophet for life... lol.

 

I treid that as a kid - I said to the teacher who didn't think much of my essay 'I did my best'.
He replied 'your best isn't good enough'.

 

Well England has some tough schools Bill.
Here in America, we are the best, so our
best is always good enough

 

That was back in the 60's when thay used to beat you with a leather strap if you misbehaved - swinging was it?:H

And actually, the teacher was right - I 'could have done better'. So anyway, these days I do try to give things my best shot.
Not becaue of that teacher or any other but becauase I've decided that's the way to try to be. Sometimes I fail - sometimes I succeed.

Probably, education in the US is generally better these days than in Britain. That is to judge from the younger people I encounter on here and elsewhere online.

 

My best teacher was sleeping outside.
After I had had just about enough of that,
I started trying my best. And I still fail
at material life. Then again Im on probation
(for some pretty unbeleivable, that only
happens on tv, or to other people kind of
situation) and flat broke from court fees.

But honestly, the general public education
here is beyond laughable, it's to the point
of daycare and clique forming.
No wonder we all hate each other.
Sad, really. Do I sense a revolution?
Nope

 

This morning I was thinking of my search, and how hard it is to keep everything hidden from my husband, and I wrote this:

Can you hear it?
The soundless wail of a mind,
seeking shelter from the chaos.

Can you hear it?
The grappling of a psyche,
gracelessly foraging for answers.

Can you hear it?
The boggish sucking of a soul,
flailing in the stagnant mud of preprocessed faith.

 

Beautiful poem elayne!
Really I love it
Thought is vibration, and some people sadly
can not hear it.