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We'll see after the election - who gets nominated for a peerage from the out-going PM. If he does go to HoL, we'll just have to redouble our efforts to get the whole of the HoL abolished once and for all and put the bastard out of a job again !!!

 

why?

- because it’s not democratic
- We pay in a lot more than others - but also v high migration kind of puts the logic at odds
- it’s highly protectionist against outside traders. Says it removes trade tariffs but regulation are so over the top these are barriers done through the back foot
- we don’t have sovereign law
- the eurozone is a failure which we pay a price. How would s single monetary policy work between 2 vastly different countries and economic realities?
- fishing.
- it plays fast and loose with its citizens. Wouldn’t laterally guarantee rights to U.K. citizens abroad and attempted to stoke tensions on the Irish border. Willing to create a boarder for those joining however troublesome politically and seems contrary with its views.
- started as a peace solution now wants an army...
- terrorism has amassed from the open boarder policy
- hypocritical concerning legal matters. Tells polish they cannot abandon eu judiciary power as absolute, but then does little to object to Catalonian imprisonments which to some was an overreach by domestic law

not going to reply to bile, but them are my thoughts

 

Talking economics. Think supply and demand

why is it not racist to envoys supply side economics in favour of the Eu membership (we need more Eu workers because otherwise who would pick our fruit and serve us coffee??)

but it’s racist to look at the demand side (too many people populating an area strains public services)

We heard people literally remark the first, but they are talking sound economics. Sounds a bit insulting tbh dare I say racis.. no I won’t

 

IB

Sorry but all those things have been covered here or elsewhere and shown to be untrue or a lot more nuanced and complex than presented - did you actually look into any of these things before posting or read the thread to see if any of them actually stood up to scrutiny?

Why not – that has already been shown to be incorrect

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And for context thing how undemocratic is the UK

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That has already been shown to be untrue did you read the thread before posting?

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Not sure what you mean even under WTO rules there are tariffs and protectionism

What does that even mean? Because it is frankly meaningless without context or explanation.

In what way is it a failure? We are not in the Eurozone and as to the rest I’m unsure what you mean?

What do you mean?

It has been covered and shown that leaving is likely to be detrimental to many if not most in the fishing industry.

That makes no sense – in what way does ‘it’ play fast and loose with its citizens, it wants to have a reciprocal agreement on EU citizens in the UK and many countries in the EU have guaranteed UK citizen rights to live in their countries and seems to be trying to stop tensions on the Irish border which the Brexit debacle has caused.

Oh what are you going on about are you saying there were no armies in Europe before the EU? Are you saying that because the UK has an army we are not peaceful?

LOL please stop reading the daily mail…

Again what are you going on about?

What are you going on about? Can you please try and explain you thinking because it seems to be that you have begun with hating the EU and then gone out and tried to find ANYTHING to attack it with many of which are disingenuous at best and seem like clutching at straws.

 

IB

This doesn’t work – again have you looked into this before posting?

It seems to me you are not looking at this objectively and without bias – the question is are other EU citizens living in the UK putting a burden or strain on UK public services? (You could also ask are UK citizens living in other places in the EU putting a burden on those public services).

Thing is you seem to be starting with the belief the EU migrants are a burden them working out from there so not surprising you coming to the conclusion they must be - BUT if you look into it you would see they are not.

The 9 biggest myths about EU immigration have just been proven wrong

Yes there are problems within the UK’s public services but when looked at it is clear these are due to UK government policies that have been defunding these services for ideological reasons. This has been covered in the thread and elsewhere.

As to ‘too many people’ how much is that if you look at the population density of the UK it is comparable with other EU countries and is lower than say Belgium and the Netherlands. Also you would have to say where in the UK is ‘too full’ we have densely populated cities but again there population density is comparable to others in the rest of Europe.

I mapped Europe's population density - England isn't that crowded

And I really don’t understand the racism part of your post – again as pointed out in the thread (please read it) there are racists that support leaving but that does not mean all leavers are racists. We have had racist and bigoted people here that have brought up the skin colour and religion of migrants but while it is incorrect to say that migrants are putting a strain on public services it is not racism unless you bring up say the colour of the skin of such migrants.

 

It amazes me how some leavers still don’t realising that all the things that they put up as reasons for leaving are either false, not as simple as they think and in no way outweigh the benefits of remaining.

How much of a bubble must such people live in that after three years they have never come up against criticisms of their views or how incurious to have not in all this time to have looked into them to see if they stood up to scrutiny.

 

It's the same with Trump supporters I'm afraid. No matter how much you impeach, they still wear a MAGA hat or declare their support in a tweet.

 

God Bulby.
I see you are still tied to your bastard computer all day spouting your absolute propaganda ranting shite.
Get yourself outside mate and go smell the coffee and the flowers and see the sights.
Bojo will have us out of the corporate money grabbing bureaucratic rip off EU just soon once he wins the general election!
I do hope you ain't going to carry on all of this vitriol whinging shite even then?
Anyway.
Cheers.
Have a nice day.
I will!

 

Soul

Yes I know – I mean Booze is a perfect example of a certain type of Leaver a proud racist who doesn’t have a clue what he is talking about and can’t defend anything he says – but he’s a true believer

He is a follower that cannot think for himself I mean one minute he is posting that the Boris deal is not Brexit because that is what Farage told him to think then next he says it is because that is now the Brexit Party line.

 

Impeached 0 times so far

 

Pretty much all irrelevant, you are headed for a Tory government with a bigger majority than last election

 

Soul

And VG is another type of leaver a ‘know it all’ who actually knows little to nothing about the things he comments on, he is the same as Booze though in been unable to defend anything he says from criticisms

 

There is a lot of money and influence peddling going on in the UK to keep the Conservative party afloat in this election it has been one fuck up after another from them so far but you wouldn’t know that from the right wing press and the cowed BBC.

The Brexit Party has also been nobbled I mean first we had Farage screaming about Conservative party betrayal over Brexit and that the Boris deal was NOT Brexit and they would put up candidates against them then it is rumoured that the Brexit backers (the mysterious sponsors of the party) told Farage et al to flip flop and he jumped to attention - now the Tories deal is all fine, acceptable and something to get behind so the candidates have been pulled in Tory areas (which was news to the BP candidates many of whom had already spent a lot of money)

The Tories have also refused to publish a report on Russian interference in UK politics until after the election and a police investigation into possible Boris corruption while London Mayor has also been put on hold until after the election. And there has also been one reported computer attack on the Labour Party by persons unknown.

And the thing is that this will settle nothing - the Tory slogan is ‘Get Brexit Done’ but this isn’t a Brexit referendum this is a Party Political general election you cannot solve a problem over a single issue plebiscite that involved people from every political party with a multi issue party political vote.

Also that slogan again ‘Get Brexit Done’ – is a BIG lie, the Tories even if they got into power will not get Brexit done – it will just be the beginning of Brexit their withdrawal bill is the starting pistol on Brexit not the finishing line, there will be years more of Brexit if they got their way

If anyone wants to end Brexit they would be voting to revoke article 50 and remain part of the EU that would stop it cold

 

I

I just answered a question, they were my thoughts. Truth is an interesting concept in your mind though I get that much. just don’t agree with you that’s all.

What is true is leave won the referendum. Concerning hacking and Russian influence, is this true? Because it seems no one knows yet so maybe you should ire on the side of caution until you know for sure. Otherwise it sounds a little hypocritical

 

You’re right to point out that Brexit is nowhere near done. But stopping it cold is daft no?

I mean it’s pretty amusing for certain groups to put roadblocks down to avoid Brexit and then actually stress issues like time, cost, social unrest, whatever are the reason we should obliterate the whole thing.

if people accepted what happened all of this could have been avoided.

if you wanted to claim phone insurance because I threw your phone into the ocean should I stand their and say, this is why you shouldn’t have got insurance when your claim fails?

I could but I’d be an ass hat

 

IB

I’m not sure what you mean by truth in this context?

Are you suggesting that it doesn’t matter if the things you say don’t stand up to scrutiny it doesn’t matter because you will think it the truth anyway?

Do you know what you are talking about?

Government Reason For Not Publishing Russia Report Is Bogus, Grieve Tells James O'Brien - LBC

What are you trying to say because this doesn’t make much sense.

Accept what, if someone offered you a poisoned chalice would you just drink it

Again this doesn’t seem to make any sense – what is the phone or insurance meant to symbolise?

 

IB

But which leave?

You need to remember that the leave vote was split

Many on the leave side didn’t know what kind of leave they were voting for

While ALL those that voted to remain knew they were voting to remain.

People voted for differing version of Brexit that were often incompatible with others, so one type of deal that would be acceptable to one or two groups would be vehemently opposed by other groups of leavers. And a leave without a deal (that wasn’t even canvassed for in the referendum) that some want is strongly opposed by many other types of leavers. Also remember that many voted because they were bamboozled by the lies been told by the leaver leadership and now regret their vote.

I think we need a long delay even maybe a revoking of article 50 so that the leavers can decide what they want – then they can bring it to the table after it has been properly peer reviewed costed and given due scrutiny and then it can be presented to the country – so that people know exactly what they are voting for.

 

and I suppose that if he is you'll be saying "I stand corrected" lol

 

Can we please discuss Trump and impeachment in other threads this is the Brexit thread

Thanks

 

You all vote next November anyway