Boycott "Kosher" Food and Related Products

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Tractate Sanhedrin, Folio 57a (Talmud):

<< "R. Huna, Rab Judah, and all the disciples of Rab maintained: A heathen is executed for the violation of the seven Noachian laws; the Divine Law having revealed this of one [murder], it applies to all. Now is a heathen executed for robbery? Has it not been taught: 'With respect to robbery — if one stole or robbed30 or [seized] a beautiful woman,31 or [committed] similar offences,32 if [these were perpetrated] by one Cuthean33 against another, [the theft, etc.] must not be kept, and likewise [the theft] of an Israelite by a Cuthean, but that of a Cuthean by an Israelite may be retained'?34 But if robbery is a capital offence, should not the Tanna have taught: He incurs a penalty? — Because the second clause wishes to state, 'but that of a Cuthean by an Israelite may be retained,' therefore the former clause reads, '[theft of an Israelite by a Cuthean] must not be kept.'35 But where a penalty is incurred, it is explicitly stated, for the commencing clause teaches: 'For murder, whether of a Cuthean by a Cuthean, or of an Israelite by a Cuthean, punishment is incurred; but of a Cuthean by an Israelite, there is no death penalty'?36 — How else could that clause have been taught? Could he state, 'forbidden' … 'permitted'? Surely it has been taught; A Cuthean and a [Jewish] shepherd of small cattle [sheep, goats, etc.]37 need neither be rescued [from a pit] nor may they be thrown [therein]!38 'And similar acts.' To what can this apply in the case of robbery? — R. Aha b. Jacob answered: To a worker in a vineyard [who eats of the grapes]. When so? If his is the finishing work, it is permitted?39 If it is not the finishing work, is it not actual robbery?40 — But R. Papa said: This applies to [the theft of] an article worth less than a perutah.41 But if so, why say that such robbery of a Jew by a Cuthean must not be kept: does he not forgive him?42 — Though he later forgives him, he is grieved when it occurs [therefore it is prohibited] — But how can you say that such robbery by one Cuthean from another is but a 'similar act' [i.e., bordering on robbery]: since a Cuthean does not forgive,43 is it not actual theft? — But R. Aha, the son of R. Ika answered; It applies to the withholding of a labourer's wage.44 One Cuthean from another, or a Cuthean from an Israelite is forbidden, but an Israelite from a Cuthean is permitted.45 To what can 'a similar act' apply in the case of a beautiful woman? — When R. Dimi came,46 he said in the name of R. Eleazar in the name of R. Hanina: To a heathen who allotted a bondwoman to his slave [for concubinage] and then took her for himself, for this he is executed.">>

<< "footnote 33: 'Cuthean' (Samaritan) was here substituted by the censor for the original goy (heathen)."

 

Numbers ("Bamidbar"), Chapter 21:

31. Israel settled in the land of the Amorites. לא. וַיֵּשֶׁב יִשְׂרָאֵל בְּאֶרֶץ הָאֱמֹרִי:
32. Moses sent [men] to spy out Jaazer and they captured its villages, driving out the Amorites who lived there. לב. וַיִּשְׁלַח מֹשֶׁה לְרַגֵּל אֶת יַעְזֵר וַיִּלְכְּדוּ בְּנֹתֶיהָ [ויירש] וַיּוֹרֶשׁ אֶת הָאֱמֹרִי אֲשֶׁר שָׁם:
33. Then they turned and headed north toward the Bashan. Og, the king of Bashan, came out toward them with all his people, to wage war at Edrei. לג. וַיִּפְנוּ וַיַּעֲלוּ דֶּרֶךְ הַבָּשָׁן וַיֵּצֵא עוֹג מֶלֶךְ הַבָּשָׁן לִקְרָאתָם הוּא וְכָל עַמּוֹ לַמִּלְחָמָה אֶדְרֶעִי:
34. The Lord said to Moses, "Do not fear him, for I have delivered him, his people, and his land into your hand. You shall do to him as you did to Sihon the king of the Amorites who dwells in Heshbon. לד. וַיֹּאמֶר יְ־הֹוָ־ה אֶל מֹשֶׁה אַל תִּירָא אֹתוֹ כִּי בְיָדְךָ נָתַתִּי אֹתוֹ וְאֶת כָּל עַמּוֹ וְאֶת אַרְצוֹ וְעָשִׂיתָ לּוֹ כַּאֲשֶׁר עָשִׂיתָ לְסִיחֹן מֶלֶךְ הָאֱמֹרִי אֲשֶׁר יוֹשֵׁב בְּחֶשְׁבּוֹן:
35. They smote him, his sons and all his people, until there was no survivor, and they took possession of his land.

 

This is a fairly good summary of everything that I was taught back in the days when I attended Yeshiva, providing that you subtract the assertion that Jews had engaged in the practice of land theft against the native inhabitants. I was taught that the land in Palestine was legally purchased from "effendis," and that after the land was settled by Jews, the chalutzim (pioneers) proceeded to work wonders with the swamp lands by planting eucalyptus trees. "He'chalutz li'man avodah, avodah li'man he'chalutz." I was taught that the Arabs were extremely hostile, and that the Jewish settlements were constantly under attack by bands of marauding Arabs. It reminds me of an old black-and-white television sit-com ("F Troop") in which Fort Courage was constantly being attacked by the "Heckowi" Indians. I was taught that Joseph Trumpeldor (sp?) gave his life at the settlement known as "Tel Hai" in an effort to fend off bands of marauding Arabs. I can only wonder how much of this stuff is really true in the factual sense, and how much of it was actually fabricated by the likes of Leon Uris and other fiction writers.

 

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whatever they taught you at yeshiva, take the positives and dump the negatives.

look another way to understand it is that theres a lot of hate and spiteful nonsense in the old testament. dump that and follow any positive messages that appear.

the problem is that you'll throw the baby out with the bathwater. in any religious tract there will be some positive messages that will have somehow not fallen foul of the censor, hold onto these messages.

in the beginning they would have had to buy the land. the religious fanatics would have found it hard to just invade and do killing without some response from the british government. the idea of getting rid of the british government was so that land no longer needed to be purchased and a "final solution" could be found for the semitic people of palestine.


the people turning up to reclaim the land thousands of years later after the supposed dispora were essentially russians who thought they were the literal descendants of the people that received the laws at sinai which is nonsense.

the problem is that there are far too many people making too much money selling land that they don't own. the reason that the settlements are approved is because someone is greasing someone's palm.

 

<< "Rabbis Shapira and Elitzur determine that children may also be harmed because they are 'hindrances.' The rabbis write as follows: 'Hindrances—babies are found many times in this situation. They block the way to rescue by their presence and do so completely by force. Nevertheless, they may be killed because their presence aids murder. There is justification for killing babies if it is clear that they will grow up to harm us, and in such a situation they may be harmed deliberately, and not only during combat with adults.'”http://didiremez.wordpress.com/2009...ishes-the-complete-guide-to-killing-non-jews/

 

It's very easy to think of the "negatives" ... but on the other hand it takes a great deal of effort to think of the "positives."

Consider the Torah's advocacy of Genocide:

The Torah implies that the indigenous people people are "evil" and thus are declared worthy of being exterminated, but the Torah never goes into any great detail about the exact nature of these transgressions. It says in the Torah that the natives were guilty of worshiping other gods (ok ... so they weren't sending up any burnt offerings to "adonoi elohaynu" ... but let me ask you ... is this really the sort of transgression that justifies the complete extermination of women and children ?). It says that "Amalek" had laid in wait, and that Amalek was guilty of harassing the Israelites while they were fleeing, and that on this basis alone, Jews are supposed to wage an all-out war against Amalek from one generation to the next ?

Excuse me, but didn't God create the Amalekites ?

I'd like to know how there's anything "positive" in the concept of genocide.

Isn't this the kind of thing that Hitler was accused of engaging in ?

 

The only problem that I can see with your point of view, is that the British government was already infected by the presence of officials who owed their loyalties to the aspirations of Zionism. Disraeli was a Jew, was he not ? Winston Churchill was a Jew. Neville Chamberlain wasn't a Jew (he was definitely a "goy"), so it only goes to prove that the British government wasn't entirely rooted in the Zionist camp, and that maybe there was at least some level of in-fighting about the subject within the British government.

I can also remember being taught about a fellow who went by the name of General Allenby. Allenby was among the top British military officials in Palestine during the time leading up to the creation of the Jewish State (I cannot seem to recall if Allenby was sympathetic to the cause of Zionism or not, but I do intend to conduct an internet search about the subject).

How about all of those immensely wealthy bankers who financed the whole operation ? We've got to consider the influence that was being exerted by the bankers who were putting their considerable weight behind the project. It must have been a fairly simple matter to establish a Jewish state in Palestine, at least dating from the time of the Balfour Declaration onward. The chief obstacle was in getting Jews to emigrate to Palestine in sufficient numbers. The second biggest problem was in how to get rid of the native Arab population.

Palestine at the time was under the control of the British government, which in turn was under the control of officials and bankers who were sympathetic to the ideas of Zionism. It's reasonable to suspect that there may have been at least some degree of collusion between Zionists in the British government and the Irgunists who blew up British Military Headquarters.

 

<< "Havat Ma’on, originally an army outpost, is inhabited by 300-400 fanatical settlers, some originating in places as far as Moscow and Baltimore. Indoctrinated in the Jewish messianic ideology, the settlers are considered among the most criminal elements of the settler movement. They believe they have a mandate from God to harass, torment and kill 'goyem' or non-Jews." >> http://www.middleeastmonitor.org.uk...sus-havat-maon-microcosm-of-israeli-apartheid

 

Just had a frosty cold tall glass of kosher Coca-cola. Only available during Passover.
It's the real Coca-cola. No high fructose corn syrup. Real sugar and as close to the original recipe (sans the cocaine) as possible.

Go try some. Look for the 2 liter bottle with the yellow cap.

Mmmmmm....

Zen

 

In the feast of Passover we have another shining example of a Jewish holiday that celebrates the mass murder of goyim.

"Passover" means that goyim were massacred and that Jews were spared.

It is perhaps the single most important doctrine of Judaism.

"ma nish tana ha lylah ha zeh, me-call ha'lay-lot."

 

Yeah, don't celebrate the time you survived a massacre

 

Well sure ... it's easy enough to survive a massacre that YOU YOURSELF are guilty of perpetrating. Judaism is actually a celebration of violent and bloody massacres that were perpetrated by Jews against the gentiles. Consider the following two glaring cases in point ... Purim and Passover (oh ... but how could I possibly forget to mention the Jewish holiday of Channukah ?) Tu-b'shvat and Succus (we used to build these neat little houses on Succus when I was a kid) ... these are perhaps the only two Jewish holidays that I can think of that AREN'T a celebration of mass murder and death. "Tu-bishvat hi-giya, chag ha'elanot."

 

Well it's more about the escape from enslavement isn't it. Not celebrating the death of others in the sense you are trying to make it out.

You posting hatred like this all the time isn't going to make any difference now is it?

 

You're telling me that Purim isn't really a celebration of mass murder that was committed against the Persians ? It's a terrible shame that you can't seem to break free of your early indoctrination. There were never any valid reasons for committing mass murder against goyim. It wasn't necessary at all. I say that we should hold onto whatever little bit there is in Judaism that's good, but at the same time we should jettison the rest of it.

 

<< "The standard Zionist position is that they showed up in Palestine in the late 19th century to reclaim their ancestral homeland. Jews bought land and started building up the Jewish community there. They were met with increasingly violent opposition from the Palestinian Arabs, presumably stemming from the Arabs' inherent anti-Semitism. The Zionists were then forced to defend themselves and, in one form or another, this same situation continues up to today.

<< "The problem with this explanation is that it is simply not true ..." >>http://web.archive.org/web/20080619040750/www.cactus48.com/truth.html

 

I am a non discriminating bigot toward all religions. They are all organized ignorance's so I give them all the respect they deserve which is none. I will aknoledge that the level of ignorance varies greatly between religions but shit is shit no matter how deep the pile. So before I comment on kosher foods let me get this out of the way: fuck Christians, fuck Muslims and fuck Jews of all denominations, you're all self destructing over the same ignorant circle of hateful bullshit. Yeah I'm also a hateful athiest, get over it.

Kosher food has always irked the fucking shit out of me. Can you fucking imagine if all over the world people were such fussy assholes about food as Jews and only deem 25-30% of it worthy of consumption because of some primitive foolish belief system bullshit? No wonder Germans wanted to fucking kill all of them, I mean Nazis were sick fucks but I can see how it went down; harsh times, starving people, no power, no TV... "What? You're too fucking good to eat my pork sausage and bacon... you threw out HOW much of your cow meat? You inhumane Jesus stabbing bastards...". AHH MEIN KAMPF!!!!

Muslims killing Jews killing Muslims Killing Christians Killing Jews... all over some childish primitive ignorant bullshit... You all deserve what you get.

 

I believe that you're going way overboard by making this contention that Jews were murdered by the nazis because of their penchant for eating kosher food, given that a far more realistic reason for the murders can be cited. In my opinion, the nazis were actually crypto-zionist Jews in disguise, who were getting paid by international bankers for the purpose of persecuting the Jews of Europe and Germany. The intention of this action was two-fold: The principle intention was to chase large numbers of Jews out of Europe and into Palestine, and thus to create a new Jewish state in Palestine, or a state that was to be founded on the doctrines of the Talmud-Torah, while the second intention was to utterly destroy the nation of Germany. Both of these objectives were achieved through the combined effects of two world wars. It's an old trick that's been employed throughout the ages: you take on the mantle of "victimhood" until you finally get what you want, and then - after you finally get what you want - that's when you make your transformation into the aggressor. Israel is a "baby" that was conceived in blood. Israel was conceived in a womb of mass deception and propaganda. Israel was brought into being thanks in large measure to the efforts of enormously wealthy bankers who conspired together so as to bring about the mass death of Arabs and Germans and Americans and other "goyim." But the story of Israel is an on-going one. It is still going on right up to this very moment, and it will keep going on until there are no more "goyim" left to kill.

 

I was trying to be humorous. Ah, if you can't laugh at thousands of years of genocidal behavior what can you laugh at?

It is true, if you buy kosher you are in one way or another supporting an organized ignorance. If you boycott because your against organized ignorance that's one thing but if you boycott only in support of another opposing ignorance then you're just a tool.