Border Control

No it's an assesment of how to treat our borders based on logical policy, not on moral grandstanding about laws.

We should enforce laws. If we don't enforce laws, then the laws should not be in place.

It's illegal to sip a beer more then three times in Texas while standing. If an illegal immigrant does that is it a threat to our sovernity?

We can enforce border laws already on the books, and that is certainly less ridiculous then the beer thing, but if we don't remotley try to enforce laws, then we can't expect people to abide by them. Particularly when their just trying to make their lives better.

Either we do or we don't enforce border laws. I say we should, but we also shouldn't let some con talk radio trolls tug on our harp strings about who broke what laws, when immigration laws are broken in the first place.

It usually takes years and often doesn't happen at all, even though we need their labor. This shows a a rift between how the system works, and how it needs to work.

And the only people who are regularly granted citizenship are ones who have croosed illegally, and marry of find other loopholes.

The path between having a work visa and becoming a citizen is so convoluted that it almost doesn't work at all.

Many immigrants are also children, looking for family members after their families have been split apart by their parents looking for work.

Of course not, it doesn't say anything about citizenship at all, but they make it clear that they are looking for workers from Mexico and aren't going to ask questions. They aren't aimed at people to get visas.

Out visa policy has changed in the past years from very few work visas from very few people in mexico allowed to get visas, to shortly doubling, and now it's an infinite number allowed to get work visas.

So why doesn't everyone just get a visa? The system is convoluted and often doesn't work at all.

We're looking at a situation that needs reform, and to shut out immigration all together is insane.

I'm not saying we open the border, I'm saying the system is boken and that's why illegal immigration is happening.

You can get away with breaking laws that aren't enforced. And if you were breaking a law that allowed you to drasitcally improve the quality of life for your family, don't even pretend like you wouldn't do it.

Especially when the legal process may take years while your family is hungry.

We should have border security. But the government is responsible when it doesn't enforce it's laws because of lobbies from agriculture groups.

Not the people who cross a line in the dirt when their offered a job. What we need to do is allow these companies to hire workers with visas and do it in a transparent and taxable manner, not ignore the process or try to pass some bullshit legislation that looks like we're doing something.

Because almost all the laws we need are already there.

 

I take it you're going off statistics on the money earned by immigrants in this country every year. Generally those statistics are used to find an average of how much is spent by households with that sort of income. So if the average household that makes $20k a year spends $4k on non essential items, it's passed along to the immigrant population as well. If you knew many Mexicans you'd know this is typically not the case. I'd say 7 out of every 10 Mexican immigrants I know work here for 6 months out of the year, save like crazy, and take their money back to Mexico for the other 6 months out of the year where they can get much more out of each dollar earned. Essentially Mexican immigration takes our money out of our country and boosts the Mexican economy.

 

I FUCKEN HATE WETBACKS.

besides the agricultural workers, they contribute NOTHING.

 

That's nice.

 

Agreed.

That is somewhat true also. Illegal immigration is mostly a labor source, which isn't a problem as such, but too much immigration can cause strains on local economies because of labor pools that are too large.

Although if you look at immigration trends, legal immigrants in the US spread out fairly well. Illegal immigrants stay in close knit communities near the borders for protection.

The problem here isn't that we have too much labor, it's that it is concentrated highly in some areas, due to many factors off illegal immigrats no having the same oppurtnities to spread out to find acessible labor.

So the solution to help ease these problems, is to protect our borders from illegal immigration, but also help to fix immigration laws so aliens won't be as effected by dispora and can move around to help them fill jobs in places that need them.

This means letting more people immigrate legally.

 

Please go the hell away. You have nothing to contribute here.

 

That's fairly obvious reading some of the posts.

Equally obvious are some posts
represent/resemble academia not R/L.

BTW feel free to continue contributing.
You have as much Right to do so as anyone else here...

 

Throwing around ethnic slurs isn't a contribution.

 

you might want to look up the definition of capital. in this instance i was referring pretty specifically to money brought in with legal immigrants, as well as education.

 

Has anyone said the slur was a contribution?
She has made at least on contribution - I quoted it.

Besides, where is is writen
each and every post must contain a 'contribution'?

This is Random Thoughts...

 

there is a flaw with this as well - once a person is a legal immigrant, the government cannot control where they live. i also don't find it all that likely that given amnesty, these huge populations of illegal immigrants would simply spread over the country evenly.

 

Well not spread out evenly... it's not like anyone is dying to come to America and live in Utah.

But we tried amnesty in the 80's and they did spread out much more in the South then the border towns where hispanics were caught in beforehand.

There are even large hispanic communities in the Northeast now due to this.

 

Well it is random thoughts, but she didn't come here and say how much better super glue was then regular glue.

She made an ethnic slur which drastically dumbs down the entire debate. I think everyone in this forum who read her little outburst just became stupider.

 

Fuck yes supler glue is better.

When I was a freshman I managed to super glue my friends back to his chair in french class.

He was wearing a jacket and had to slide out of the jacket to get it out.

Anyway, with regular glue I just would have ruined his jacket.

I did anyway, but with much more style.

 

Even with legal immigration the money brought in by their employment is drastically lowered by the amount of money taken out of the country by them. Not to mention any immigrant that is here on a visa is not paying taxes. That sure is doing a lot for our country. Sorry, but if I'm paying 23-26% of my paycheck to taxes every week, they should be too.

 

I'm not familiar how its done in America.

In Canada there are three classes of immigrants -

1. Refugees (humanitarian reasons rather than economic)
2. Family Members
3. Economic Migraants.

the third class is divided into two types. Business types are expected to make a $400,000 investment into Canada or own a business. The other type of skilled workers "Skilled workers have education, work experience, knowledge of English or French and other abilities that will help them to establish themselves successfully as permanent residents in Canada."

all economic migrants in Canada contribute to the economy. Any other argument is merely thinly-veiled xenophobia.

 

People on temporary work VISA's (L-1) are taxed by the US government. Any non resident who stays in the US for more then a short period of time is taxed on income they recieve from work in the US.

http://www.ucop.edu/ucophome/policies/acctman/t-182-27.pdf

 

You give the slur entirely too much credit.

There were other points besides that.
Folks choose what they process.
If they choose to let the slur negate the rest -
that doesn't say much for them, eh?

As for being 'stupider'... I don't know about the others but you're not speaking for me.
I did not give you the authority to speak on my behalf.

 

No there wasn't.

She bitched about how many hispanic people there were where she lived and said 'we wouldn't understand it'. Then in the next post made a racial slur and said hispanic people were good for nothing.

I already mentioned I live in a predominatly hispanic area in Texas, so that doesn't fly.

Neither do ethnic slurs. There was nothing remotely substantial to anything there. Just hatefull rhetoric.

 

Summaries can be helpful but
only when they're objective and accurate.

BTW I do not agree w/your editorializing -
neither the principal or the specifics...