Black Lives Do Count

The percentage of African American people shot compared with total number of African Americans is outlandish. They are far more likely than a white person to get shot by police. As my earlier statistical figure noted, the numbers depict that African Americans are indeed 2.5 times more likely to be shot and killed by police. I wonder what the statistics say about plain old brutality?

 

Balls

Ok I’ll try and explain in the most simplistic way I can think of.


We use statistics to work out where there are problems within a system – say you have three roads - White Street, Black Avenue and Brown Road and you look at the number of fatal accidents on each now White Street has the largest overall number of such accidents but it is the most used road and so taking into account the larger number of cars its shown that actually it has only 1 fatal accident per 1000 cars but when looked at Brown Road has 5 fatal accidents per 1000 cars and Black Avenue had 30 fatal accidents per 1000 cars

Road Safe people would see from such figure that Brown Road and Black Avenue had a bigger problem than White Street and while not disregarding any accidents they are likely to try and work out why Brown Road and Black Avenue had more accidents and above all fix it.

Your seem to be implying that all the roads should be treated the same or even that because White Street has the largest overall number of accidents it should be concentrated on instead.

That doesn’t seem to be a very rational approach.

It seems to me you want to close down discussion because you don’t want to fix the problem.

 

You are assuming they are shot because they were black.?

Fact is with this highten and false statistics and accusations by such groups as BLM against the police it has not helped.

The odds of being shot and killed during an arrest for black people is 0.01%. The odds of a white person being shot and killed diuring an arrest is 0.01%

 

Rate killed by US police per million residents 2015

Black – 7.69

Hispanic – 3.45

White – 2.95

 

Balls

I don’t think anyone has said that – but they were black and black people were more likely to be killed by the police – the question is why and what can be done to try and lessen that possibility.

 

And your source for this is and how was this conclusion drawn?

0.01% chance of being shot by police during an arrest for both black and white.

 

This isnt true though, blacks are 2.5 times more likely to be killed by the police

And also I find it interesting you brought up the heroin epidemic earlier - I think it is pretty common knowledge that heroin addiction is mostly affecting blue collar white people

But,

Overall drug use among blacks and whites is roughly the same

And yet -
Blacks make up 33% of inmates incarcerated for drug related offenses

http://www.naacp.org/criminal-justice-fact-sheet/


If the disparity between white and black drug related arrests and convictions isnt enough to convince you that systemic racism exists within our justice system then nothing will, I guess

 

Balls

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database

And you 0.01 figure is from where?

 

Star tribune

http://www.startribune.com/police-shootings-the-risk-is-lower-than-you-probably-imagine/428044703/

Which uses actuall statistics from the FBI and bases it on the number of calks made, responses, etc. There are so many variables to consider.

Putting your hands up and not reaching for a weapon is a good idea.

 

Interesting

Total black population 39,908,095 (2015) generated 2,197,140 arrests

Now there were 5,753,212 white arrests more than double but less than triple that of blacks

So you would expect the total number of white's to be from around 80,000,000 to 120,000,000

But I believe it’s actually 232,943,055 (2015) a lot more than the amount expected

 

Beach balls takes it over the the line to plane racism. Most of her ilk will say all these things and not admit to being racist. But I think she belongs in Chancellorsville with her nonsense.

 

Again, what's the point of keeping score? Aside from being able to claim moral high ground, in a singular matter, why bother? All it does is bring the other issues into the fray with their score sheets. What would happen if there was an absolutely truthful scorecard? What would change? It seems like we'd all be better off if the numbers were applied only to unification among Americans. Perhaps such a move would be seen and respected around the planet.

 

It isnt about keeping score, it is about recognizing patterns of systemic racism within our justice system

 

I fail to see that unless you consider the racism expressed by people of ALL races toward each other. And that of course means that it's all pointless scorekeeping. However, if you are of a mind that some humans beings are magically exempt from being racists, then the game is fixed, same as all this statistical nonsense. A score is a score under that scenario.

As I see it, hate is hate regardless of the direction. The real measure would be who promotes the most hate. Seriously, who are the loudest barkers of racial hatred these days?

 

Stoned

Sorry I don’t think I can explain things any simpler than I did earlier with the road and accident thing.

say you have three roads - White Street, Black Avenue and Brown Road and you look at the number of fatal accidents on each now White Street has the largest overall number of such accidents but it is the most used road and so taking into account the larger number of cars its shown that actually it has only 1 fatal accident per 1000 cars but when looked at Brown Road has 5 fatal accidents per 1000 cars and Black Avenue had 30 fatal accidents per 1000 cars

Road Safe people would see from such figure that Brown Road and Black Avenue had a bigger problem than White Street and while not disregarding any accidents they are likely to try and work out why Brown Road and Black Avenue had more accidents and above all fix it.

As Meliai points out we use such statistics to try and work out where there are problems within a system be it roads, sewage or societies.

You ask what is the point well that is the point, because problems within a system that you do nothing about are unlikely to get better on their own and are very likely to get worse.

Do that with a sewage system and you can literally have shit flowing in the streets do it in societies and it could be blood.

What you seem to be suggesting is that we should just ignore this uncomfortable issue.

You say we shouldn’t bring up race unless we “consider the racism expressed by people of ALL races toward each other” we’ll the only one seeming to want to shy away from that discussion is you.

Rather than go ‘there is racism on all sides so let’s not talk about it’ why not ask why is there racism and then try and work out how to lessen it?

Clearly there are racial problems within US society highlighted by a number of statistics involving the economic, judicial and social status of black Americans.

I’ve never understood the stance of some that to raise these issues is to be somehow an anti-white racist, to me that just seems like a way to try and close down discussion.

 

I really don't believe that people who say systematic racism knows what that is or all it intails. It is used as if it like it actually means something significant and like holds any validity. It doesn't!

 

I'm sorry you have that issue.

 

See this is the problem. It is assumed that convicted criminals is suppose to coincide with the population racial percentages! Why does it have to? and if it doesn't then that equates to systematic racism by white America? White america is responsible for the actions of the black population because of slavery a very long time ago.

You can take the race out of the equation, the percent and say 80percent of the people in prison are American citizens, they account for less that 1 percent iof the countries total population. That is just an example. 20 percent are not american citizens, have been convicted and will be deported. Separating by race, inflating the numbers and playing victim of racism, blaming white america for the actions of an individual isn't going to win people over at all. Saying that the white man are Unjust and racism is why I am in jail is just ludicrous and this thinking brings about hatred, this blaming brings about distrust. Not talking responsibility for your own actions and playing victim. Systematic racism is a joke.

 

Who has an issue? Lol.
What is your issue? Lol.

 

This seems a concern:

But its your concern (or issue, or problem) not one of your convo partners. I'm saying just in case you wanna act like its on others in this thread