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  1. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    About 1500 years.
     
  2. OlderWaterBrother

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    I was not familiar with the 666 in 1 Kings 10:14 but I don't think they are related.
     
  3. OlderWaterBrother

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    Interesting, no I haven't but I'll look into if you wish.
     
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    yeah right. God told him to rip out his hair. He didn't do it in a tantrum, he did it because he (like you) knows what God's opinions are and it just seemed like the appropriate thing to do. It's fruitcakes like that that made it necessary for the Christ soul to bring into the world a correction of attitude.
     
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    Most the time God protected Jerusalem by just being with the forces of Israel and so they would win despite being heavily out numbered but in one case God sent an angel to take care of the situation. (2 Kings 19:35) And it came about on that night that the angel of Jehovah proceeded to go out and strike down a hundred and eighty-five thousand in the camp of the As·syr′i·ans. When people rose up early in the morning, why, there all of them were dead carcasses. . .
    That's probably a good assumption.
    I can see you've never been married. ;)
    Boring? You may have hit on something. :D
     
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    You might want to check out the Guidelines for Sanctuary. ;)
     
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    616 relates to Emperor Nero who was persecuting early Christians, but Irenaeus an early church father affirmed that 666 was the correct number and blamed 616 on scribal error.
     
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    well, that's a relief
     
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    It's interesting that after King Solomon recieved the 666 talents of Gold he goes on to break ever rule set forth Deuteronomy 17:14 and the whole nation gets exiled.

    Then in Daniel Nebuchadnezzar makes an image of gold 60 cubits high, 6 cubits in breath and every time 6 intruments played it was to be worshipped.

    Later in Daniel Nebuchadnezzar takes credit for his power and God humbles him by making him a beast.

    Also, the gematria of Nebuchadnezzar is
    N(nu)=50 + E(eta)=8 + B(beta)=2 + U(upsilon)=400 + C(kappa)=20 + H(eta)=8 + A(alpha)=1 + D(delta)=4 + N(nu)=50 + E(eta)=8 + Z(zeta)=7 + Z(zeta)=7 + A(alpha)=1 + R(rho)=100 = 666. Thus NEBUCHADNEZZAR= 666

    Both beast and man were created the 6th day.
     
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    Yep, it was bound to happen once they had kings. God is reputed to have warned them away from having a king - telling them 'hey, I've been with you all the way and you've never needed a king before' but after being pestered repeatedly gave in and said 'okay, have a king. There ya go'

    It's astonishing how much direct contact these guys had with God back then. Kinda seems like He's stopped talking so much since these stories were 'reported'
     
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    Originally Posted by OlderWaterBrother [​IMG]
    This Scripture not only restates the law but shows the results. (1 Kings 11:1-6) And King Sol′o·mon himself loved many foreign wives along with the daughter of Phar′aoh, Mo′ab·ite, Am′mon·ite, E′dom·ite, Si·do′ni·an [and] Hit′tite women, from the nations of whom Jehovah had said to the sons of Israel: “YOU must not go in among them, and they themselves should not come in among YOU; truly they will incline YOUR heart to follow their gods.” It was to them that Sol′o·mon clung to love [them]. And he came to have seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines; and his wives gradually inclined his heart. And it came about in the time of Sol′o·mon’s growing old that his wives themselves had inclined his heart to follow other gods; and his heart did not prove to be complete with Jehovah his God like the heart of David his father. And Sol′o·mon began going after Ash′to·reth the goddess of the Si·do′ni·ans and after Mil′com the disgusting thing of the Am′mon·ites. And Sol′o·mon began to do what was bad in the eyes of Jehovah, and he did not follow Jehovah fully like David his father.



    (who got provoked by Satan too?)



    I CHRONICLES 21
    The Numbering
    AND SATAN stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.
     
  12. OlderWaterBrother

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    Yes that is true, David was not perfect, none of us are, and David sinned many times but David's heart was always with Jehovah. In this case David quickly realized his mistake and humbly asked for forgiveness, which Solomon never did. (1 Chronicles 21:8) Also David's sin was not an act of false worship, turning his back on God, as Solomon did, by worshiping false gods.

    PS if you are trying to say this is some sort of contradiction, it is not, one must realize that God does not expect perfection from imperfect people but does expect relative perfection, the best that can be done by imperfect humans. That is why God could say David followed him fully and Solomon did not.
     
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    ...i stand corrected, that was not true which you acknowledged as true. it was not the Satan, but the Lord ..wait, i don't stand corrected, the Bible does! now it makes sense that David did indeed fully follow God, or did he ?

    with the 'now see you it, now you don't' versions of the Bible ..you can never know

    II SAMUEL 24

    The Numbering
    AND again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.
     
  14. OlderWaterBrother

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    So you lied, interesting. (John 8:44-45)

    PS Also from my answer, you can see that when I said that is true, I was directing that to the fact that David was a imperfect man and not to who provoked him.
     
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    sure sure, so who really provoked him ??? (i didn't lie, its a direct quote from your Bible)

    as for the imperfectness of David, he is after all (like Jesus from the seed of David) the 'created'
     
  16. OlderWaterBrother

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    Well aren't you the little trickster. :D

    God is sometimes spoken of in Scripture as doing what he merely permits to be done by another. Thus in 2 Samuel 24:1 it states: “The anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.” But Jehovah was not the one that moved David to sin. It was Satan, as 1 Chronicles 21:1 states: “Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.” God was displeased with Israel and hence permitted Satan to bring this sin upon them, and for that reason 2 Samuel reads as though God did it himself. Rotherham’s translation shows it was by God’s sufferance rather than his doing: “The anger of Yahweh kindled against Israel, so that he suffered David to be moved against them saying, Go count Israel and Judah.” The Septuagint in its English translation goes so far as to insert “Satan” in the place of the pronoun “he”. The marginal reading in the King James Version gives “Satan” instead of “he”.
    Yes but David is not the only begotten like Jesus was.
     
  17. stoney69

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    damn thats tres intelligent! so every little thing we do is actually done by God as he permits it

    Lord, Satan, he, Yahweh, inspired-the-translators-to-insert, ? who really provoked him ?

    you really should listen to yourself or perhaps, talk to a kid 6-10 year old, explain your reasoning ..see if the kid buys it

    Exodus 4:22: "Israel is my son, even my firstborn." II Samuel 7:14 and I Chronicles 22:10: "...and he shall be my son (Solomon)." Jeremiah 31:9: "...and Ephraim is my firstborn." Also, Psalm 2:7.
    "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." (Romans 8:14).
    In Psalm 2:7, the Lord said to David:
    "...Thou art my son: this day have I begotten thee."
    Jesus also said that God is not only his Father but also your Father (Matthew 5:45, 48). Luke 3:38 says:
    "...Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the Son of God."
     
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    about Solomon, in the Quran; and its not with the intent of 'proselytizing', ....he was as close to God, as David

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    And to Dâwûd (David) We gave Sulaimân (Solomon). How excellent a slave! Verily, he was ever oft-returning in repentance (to Us)! (30)

    And, indeed We did try Sulaimân (Solomon) and We placed on his throne Jasad (a devil, so he lost his kingdom for a while) and he did return (to Allâh with obedience and in repentance and to his throne and kingdom by the Grace of Allâh). (34) He said: "My Lord! Forgive me, and bestow upon me a kingdom such as shall not belong to any other after me: Verily, You are the Bestower." (35) So, We subjected to him the wind, it blew gently his order whithersoever he willed, (36) And also the Shayâtin (devils) from the jinn (including) every kind of builder and diver, (37) And also others bound in fetters. (38) [Allâh said to Sulaimân (Solomon)]: "This is Our gift, so spend you or withhold, no account will be asked (of you)." (39) And verily, for him is a near access to Us, and a good (final) return (Paradise). (40)

    Al-Baqara

    They followed what the Shayâtin (devils) gave out (falsely of the magic) in the lifetime of Sulaimân (Solomon). Sulaimân did not disbelieve, but the Shayâtin (devils) disbelieved, teaching men magic and such things that came down at Babylon to the two (angels,) Hârût and Mârût, but neither of these two angels taught anyone (such things) till they had said, "We are only for trial, so disbelieve not (by learning this magic from us)." And from these (angels) people learn that by which they cause separation between man and his wife, but they could not thus harm anyone except by Allâh's Leave. And they learn that which harms them and profits them not. And indeed they knew that the buyers of it (magic) would have no share in the Hereafter. And how bad indeed was that for which they sold their ownselves, if they but knew. (102)


     
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    Do you even bother to read my posts? :rolleyes:
     
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    This is just spam. :rolleyes:
     
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