Bible Questions?

What are you trying to say? That these Scritures apply to what the Bible, the inspired word of God, has to say?

 

Ah, so you wish to join me in foolishness? Be careful not to hurt yourself getting off that high horse.

 

right, so you got nothing to say ...over the verses quoted ?

people, we're all gifted with a brain that has the ability to analyse ..donot waste the intelligence within you to question the inconsistencies in pages authored/doctored by men just like us who had no authority to do so. for some details please read this post, http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=391010&f=88

[owb btw has abandoned the debate there as well, as he cannot acknowledge the obvious]

 

No, I am not saying that God knows everything, I'm saying God has the ability to know everything if he so chooses but in the case of free will he has chosen not to know.

I know exactly what those two words mean but you must realize that neither of those two words are found in the Bible and thus are not used by the Bible to describe God. So sticking to some exact definition of those words to describe what God can or can not do is fallacious, because God is not bound by the definition of those words.

Yes it does. No one say that God is not omnipotent if he uses only a part of his total power, to say create a flower but if god decides to only use part of his ability be omniscient then suddenly this calls in to question his ability to be omniscient and that doesn't make sense to me.

You are wrong and your only defense has been to say; you are wrong and that seem odd to me.

Once again, Jesus has free will and God does not use his ability to know everything, in the case of those who have free will and did not know for a certainty that Jesus would sacrifice himself.

You asked; What was to happen if Jesus never came and god didn't interfere?

My answer to that; Mankind would probably cause their own extinction, does not reflect on God's ability to create sentient life that can live in peace with itself at all.

Since angels, that are sentient life, created by God will live forever and never will cause their own extinction.

As for humanity those who worship the true God all live in peace and harmony with each other but without God's interference those who wish to continue to rebel against God would first wipe out the worshipers of God and then cause their own extinction and that again would not be a reflection on God's ability to create sentient life that can live in peace with itself.

 

You also seem to be the King of taking things out of context, I see.

 

Were the Acts considered somewhat to alter Man's perception of numbers in the universe for the Purpose of knowing what Man will perceive the Future for a time riddled already with Human controversy?

 

Okay, I'll spell it out for you. The verses you cited all refer to the wisdom of men and the folly of following what men have to say and they would apply to the Quran but since the Bible is the word of God and all scripture in inspired of God and thus the Bible is not man's word but God's, the Scriptures you cited would not apply to the Bible.

As has already been pointed out there are no "inconsistencies" in the Bible, most of what you pointed out as inconsistencies have already been asked and answered and been shown not to inconsistencies, in this thread:http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=360926&f=88

Actually seeing as I have commented there two times since you have, I thought you had abandoned the debate.

 

King of Taking Things out of Context.... on a Hill. I likes the sound of this.

 

I figured you would.

 

I'm going to think of a good question and will get back to you :tongue:

 

Who's the more foolish: The fool, or the fool who follows him?

 

So god does not know everything now?

You have used those words to describe it in the past, why?

I thought you had said that god knew all, and the hearts of all men and women, flip flop?

You have.

Agian by using the word omniscience hear makes it sound as though you don't know the defintion, i like how you admit that want to classify gods power as only "partly" omniscience.

:smilielol5:

Then he is not omniscience, if he is not omniscience he is certainly fallable, your arguement has fallen apart.

I asked why did god supposedly interfere, and yet continues to allow suffering here on planet Earth, what is the point, the Jesus story is ridicules and makes no sense, this however isn't news to most people.

Yoiu have said that mankind will eventually be unable to contineu to live as it does and will end in armmageddon all powered by your god, so why bother keeping the human race around for anohter 2000 years when the whole thing is planned to come down anyways?

Angels are not real.

How convenient that these anthropomorphic beings are invisible and never drop by Earth to say high or wave to a camera...

By this you mean just yourself correct?

Afterall the majority of the Earth are nnot worshiping the right god and even then a large swath of the christian population is still off from center because they don't worship your version of it.

When it comes to genocide I would say that those who have submitted to god have done just as much if not more damage than those who choose to rebel.

No one knows how the first lifeforms on Earth came to be, so you say since there is a lack of evidence your creationist story wins by default, it doesn't take a genius to recognize a colossal con job when one See's it.

 

Wisdom is information. How can information be an entity?

Wasn't it understanding that raised her voice?

 

" ... we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, and hope does not disappoint us, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit which has been given to us." (Romans 5:3-5)

 

Although he still could, in the case of free will he does not know what individuals will do.

Yes, I have, mainly because those are the words others use and it seems easier to just use them and explain the difference than to go into a long winded explanation each time.

I've pretty much always said that God does not know the choices we are going to make.

Actually what I've said is that God has the ability to know everything but in the case of individuals he refrains from knowing their choices or how the life will turn out.

What I've said is God has the ability to know everything, omniscience, but chooses to refrain from useing that ability to the full so we can have free will.

Yes, this is again shows the depth your reasoning on the points presented.

Omniscience?

Even I were to agree with you that God is not omniscient, there nothing about that, that would prove God fallible.

God has interfered in order that those who wish to do what is right are not destroyed and as for mankind's suffering, God allows it so mankind can try and prove that they can do a better job than God.

As for Jesus' story being "ridicules" and making no sense, that's because you don't want it to make sense.

Because God is allowing mankind time to prove that they can do a better job of running things than God. God know that they can't but mankind has to prove it to themselves.

So you say.

Oh, they're going to drop by soon enough.

Actually, no. I would like it to include me but that is not up to me.

It's not my version that anyone should be concerned with but with God's version.

Yeah right, you're comparing the death of people that will be resurrected back to life, with the extinction of all life on earth.

God would know and I've never said that the creation story wins by default.

 

We are not talking about information being called a entity, we are talking about whether an entity is being called wisdom.

Yes.

 

just like you don't want Islam to make sense

 

which is why the Bible is a set of "according to" men like Paul, Mathew, Luke etc ?

 

Actually, I could care less whether Islam makes sense or not. Lots of things make sense but are not authored by God. The Quran just has very little to recommend it as the word of God.

 

Perhaps you would like to think so but the Bible has much to prove that it is not the word men but is in fact the word of God.