Bible Questions?

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  1. TipsyGypsy

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    See, when I first herd of Red Letter Christians, I thought that they were actually following the word of Jesus- but I have heard a lot of criticism about them. So, what is right?!

    You don't focus on the things Jesus said - you're wrong.
    You do - you're wrong.
     
  2. onesublimesister

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    Confusion abound. But, man is a confusing being since he's driven by his ego and when he writes a "self help" book, his motives aren't always genuine.
     
  3. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    I hope you don't mind me picking on this one. :D

    To me this is a good example of the blinders that Trinitarians wear.

    "Obviously this Scripture must be saying that Jesus and the Father are the same person." but are we to ignore what Jesus says next, almost in the same breath:
    (John 14:10-14) Do you not believe that I am in union with the Father and the Father is in union with me? The things I say to YOU men I do not speak of my own originality; but the Father who remains in union with me is doing his works. Believe me that I am in union with the Father and the Father is in union with me; otherwise, believe on account of the works themselves. Most truly I say to YOU, He that exercises faith in me, that one also will do the works that I do; and he will do works greater than these, because I am going my way to the Father. Also, whatever it is that YOU ask in my name, I will do this, in order that the Father may be glorified in connection with the Son. If YOU ask anything in my name, I will do it.

    If Jesus and the father are one person how does Jesus go away to the Father? If Jesus and the father are one person why does the Father need to be glorified in connection with the Son.

    As for your question, it is a common figure of speech to say; "there is a lot of his father in him", now does that means that the Father and Son are the same person? No, that is not the way it is commonly understood, it is understood to mean that they are very similar and in fact the son does a lot of things that remind you of the way the Father does them. And that would leave room for the son who was away from his father to say that soon he would be going away to his father.
     
  4. ChronicTom

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    I've never understood why people think it make any sense at all, that God would write a book through his believers, (the old testament) and then a couple hundred years later have to make a re-write of it...

    To me, the very idea screams against any sense at all. The all knowing and all seeing God from the first testament, did not say, here's some words to follow while I make up something better...

    I think it is much more likely, that the new testament, was a reflection of those who were in power wanting to have the word of god more palatable to more people and so they added and changed what they needed to make things just unclear enough that it could be interpreted as needed.

    Of course, I could be wrong, perhaps God is just the class clown and thought it was funny to see how many people would believe contradictory words if they all came from 'God'...
     
  5. thedope

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    Is God a person?
     
  6. TipsyGypsy

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    Or, the Messiah is yet to come.
     
  7. OlderWaterBrother

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    You said:
    To which I replied:
    To which you replied:
    To which I replied:
    Then, as if to say some how writing them down makes them no longer the word of God, you replied:
    to which I replied:
    to which you now reply:
    So what is it? What are you saying? Was the Bible written under inspiration of God or not? You can't have it both ways.


    Not prescribing, merely mentioning that it might be a good idea.


    That's not what the Scripture says. It says:
    All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.
     
  8. OlderWaterBrother

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    Perhaps some but not all.
     
  9. OlderWaterBrother

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    The OT is a tutor that leads to the NT, so just take what you already know and just let it lead you into the NT. ;)
     
  10. TipsyGypsy

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    If I believed in what the NT was saying , then yes.
     
  11. OlderWaterBrother

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    Whereas reading just the words of Jesus is an interesting starting point, just remember; All Scripture is inspired of God and is beneficial.
     
  12. OlderWaterBrother

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    Is that what you think the Bible is a "self help" book?
     
  13. OlderWaterBrother

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    The Christian Greek Scriptures are not a rewrite of the Hebrew Scriptures, they are a continuation of them and together they make one book that is consistent all the way through, not two books that oppose each other.
     
  14. OlderWaterBrother

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    Yes.
     
  15. OlderWaterBrother

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    You think so? :confused:
     
  16. OlderWaterBrother

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    You don't believe the NT?
     
  17. thedope

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    The bible is written under inspiration of God, it is in turn, interpreted by men.
    something ordered or recommended: a practice or course of action that is authoritatively ordered or recommended
    Beneficial is the operative in the statement. Not absolutely informing.
     
  18. thedope

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    Do you have his address or telephone number? Does he have to wash his balls or is he even a he?
     
  19. OlderWaterBrother

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    No, as I've said and shown many times the Bible interprets its self.

    Nope, just a friendly suggestion but feel free to take it any way you want.

    Yes is beneficial because it will make the man of God, fully competent, completely equipped for every good work. ;)
     
  20. thedope

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    "Second coming?"
     
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