Bible Questions?

Who are you to say what a true Christian is, furthermore I'm guessing the practitioners of the crusades spent much more time in prayer and in study of the bibles meaning's than those who vomit out oxymoronic statements like "love your enemies" and expect them to be taken as some kind of divine wisdom.

Why do you not go to Afghanistan and put your mouth where your philosophy is and go "love the enemies" of rationality and human rights?

Or better yet, would you tell the men who stormed the beaches at Normandy that they should as opposed to shooting killing and neutralizing the Nazi enemy to instead shower them in love?

To love ones enemies is as sickening a suggestion as to both love and fear a god to win it's favor.

With the bible being translated in so many languages, and with words and phrases being altered and removed in the process of spreading it's divine word which after 2000 years still has not reached the more remote places of Earth (thankfully) you dare say that it has never been altered?

Even after you posted varying versions of the supposed same bible yourself a great deal of them trademarked showing that they wre in some way different than there companions?

If you truly believe the statement you have posted you are quite possibly in denile.

Just my opinion of course.

 

Did Jehoiakim die in Babylon or near Jerusalem?

Chronicles 36:5-6

Jehoiakim ... did that which was evil in the sight of the Lord his God. Against him came up Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, and bound him in fetters, to carry him to Babylon.

Jeremaih 22:18-19

Therefore thus saith the Lord concerning Jehoiachim .... He shall be buried with the burial of an ass, drawn and cast forth beyond the gates of Jerusalem.

 

Probably Babylon

 

Could it mean that he was executed at one place yet buried in another?

 

Seems like it.

"He shall be buried with the burial of an ass" It seems like it was done to dishonor his actions.

 

I just go by what the Bible says and if someone murders and tortures that's pretty much a lock on not being a Christian.

It was Jesus who said; "love YOUR enemies" (Matthew 5:44) and I'm pretty sure he spent more time in prayer and understood the Bible better than any of those who participated in the Crusades.

I can assure you that true Christians are already in Afghanistan and are already putting into action the words "love the enemies". As for me I have my hands full putting into action the words "love the enemies" right here in the good old US of A.

At that time there were a large number of true Christians in Germany putting into action the words "love the enemies" and many of them spent a number of years in Nazi Germany's concentration camps, while at the same time in glorious old freedom loving US of A, true Christians were being imprisoned for putting into action the words "love the enemies".

Perhaps it is only sicking to you because you have a perverted sense of what love is.

Nothing has been altered or removed and after 2000 years the Bible has reached everyone, even in the remotest parts of the Earth and 90% of mankind can read the Bible in their own language and the others can read it in a language that they can understand.

What do you think that proves? The words may be different but the meaning is the same. In other words the meaning remains the same even if you change the words around a bit. Or you could say that using different wording does not have to change the meaning. How about, it's the thought that counts not how you say it. Etc.

You are the one in denial. Just take for example the Dead Sea Scrolls, when compared to the Bible we have today they show that the Bible has not changed in almost 2000 years.

It has to be, because you have no facts to back it up.

 

Babylon would sure be beyond the gates of Jerusalem now wouldn't it?

 

typo

 

Unless they happen to be homosexual or a heretic, also hasn't it been said that god commanded multiple murderes to be commitited by the followers and eventual followers of his son?

I would say that the statement love your enemies is as masochistic and oxymoronic a phrase as any.

Example?

How is it that they are aiding the enemy I would like to know, because that is treason after all and a gross offense to the country you live in service men and women.

Who are your enemies why are they your enemies and how are you loving them?

Who were these Christians that were placed in concentration camps and how is it that they showed love toward there camptors, your statement actually made me feel a bit sick.

Example?

Are you referring to the Japanese interment camps, and if so how did they love there captors or was it just in statement only?

I do not fear the ones I love, I would not call that sick in the least.

How was the bible spread so far and wide back in the times of the inquisition and the crusades by the way?

Did the armies of Christendom love the heretics and cultures they encountered, did they spread love everywhere they went?

that would be fine and dandy but for one thing, what is the true thought of christianity, is it to treat others as you wish to be treated?

No, it's praise to a totalitarian dictator that supposedly created you sick and commands you to become well, it also requires that you both objectively love it as well as experience utter terror by it's omnipotence.

Actually the dead sea scrolls hints at just the opposite but take it anyway you like.

About 35% of the DSS biblical manuscripts belong to the Masoretic tradition, 5% to the Septuagint family, and 5% to the Samaritan, with the remainder unaligned.

The non-aligned fall into two categories, those inconsistent in agreeing with other known types, and those that diverge significantly from all other known readings. The DSS thus form a significant witness to the mutability of biblical texts at this period. The sectarian texts among the Dead Sea Scrolls, most of which were previously unknown, offer new light on one form of Judaism practiced during the Second Temple period.

You cannot dissprove a negative, how about instead you give facts as to why christianity should hold anymore wonder than the other thousands of religions that have came and went on what Carl Sagen had called this"pale blue dot."

 

Please show me where in the Christian Greek Scriptures it says anything about Christians killing anyone let alone homosexuals or heretics.

Like I said you seem to have a perverted sense of what love is, so naturally you would feel that way.

Did I say aiding? I don’t think so. I believe I said “love your enemies”. That in no way indicates that a Christian would aid them to do evil.

Well rudenoodle, you haven’t seemed so friendly lately but I still try to deal with you in a loving manner.

Look it up for your self, it’s easy to do, since you seem to have access to the internet. Maybe just go to the website of the Holocaust Museum and check on the second largest religious group in the concentration camps after the Jews. I wouldn’t want you to take my word for it.

No, I don’t believe the Japanese were all Christians and anyway I said imprisoned not interred and some of those Christians, brothers to the ones in the Nazi concentration camps, were lynched here in the good ole US of A.

Oh that you would fear them rather than treat them the way you do.

Did I say that? I meant in today’s world, back then the truth had only been spread to the known world of that time but God has allowed time for it to be spread to the whole Earth?

Seeing as the armies of Christendom, were not composed of true Christians, I doubt that they spread very much love any where they went.

Yes, I think you are finally getting it!

Oops, sorry I got ahead of myself, you’re not getting it at all.

In 1947, however, some very ancient manuscript fragments were found in caves in the vicinity of the Dead Sea, including parts of books of the Hebrew Bible. A number of fragments dated to before the time of Christ. Scholars compared these with existing Hebrew manuscripts to confirm the accuracy of the transmission of the text. What was the result of this comparison?

One of the oldest works discovered was the complete book of Isaiah, and the closeness of its text to that of the Masoretic Bible we have today is amazing. Professor Millar Burrows writes: “Many of the differences between the [recently discovered] St. Mark’s Isaiah scroll and the Masoretic text can be explained as mistakes in copying. Apart from these, there is a remarkable agreement, on the whole, with the text found in the medieval manuscripts. Such agreement in a manuscript so much older gives reassuring testimony to the general accuracy of the traditional text.” Burrows adds: “It is a matter for wonder that through something like a thousand years the text underwent so little alteration.”

Not all the manuscripts found at the Dead Sea agreed so exactly with the surviving Bible text. Some showed quite a lot of textual variance. However, these variations do not mean that the essential meaning of the text has been distorted. According to Patrick W. Skehan of the Catholic University of America, most represent a “reworking [of the Bible text] on the basis of its own integral logic, so that the form becomes expanded but the substance remains the same . . . The underlying attitude is one of explicit reverence for a text regarded as sacred, an attitude of explaining (as we would put it) the Bible by the Bible in the very transmission of the text itself.”

I’ve been doing that all along but you are so blinded by your attempt to discredit the Bible that you can't see it.

 

:rofl:

 

Lol

 

I have multiple times showed you the bibles more than subtle hinting of hatred towards homosexuals, if you really want to pretend it is not so feel free to.

What would make you believe that I have a perverted sense of what love is, as usual as a Christian supposedly answering questions in relation to your bible you resort to ad hominem attacks.

It would appear that your definition of love is just a thoughtful wish of good luck towards someone, whatever fine.

I never asked you to, and all I'm doing is asking questions.

Treat who the way I do, you act as though you know me personally, again you resort to ad-hominem attacks, no biggie I'm used to it.

Without the butchery of the crusades and inquisition among other crimes against reason and rationality your cults membership would be severely diminished, you yourself could very well of ended up rooting for a different god.

Who are you to judge them, your cult owes them a great deal of gratitude for spreading it's "word" about the world.

It just shows that it was written by man and altered slightly, like the thousands of other bibles on Earth.

I have been asking questions of the bible, many of which you have been unable to answer honestly without piecing together fragments from varying versions of the same untruth and simply choosing on a whim what is to be taken literally versus metaphorically, again you resort to ad-hominem attacks, typically Christian.

 

Who hardened the Pharaohs heart?

Exodus 4:21

And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.

Exodus

8:32 And Pharaoh hardened his heart at this time also, neither would he let the people go.

 

"simply choosing on a whim what is to be taken literally versus metaphorically"

We have went into this with you on a number of occasions but you keep going back to your previous stance as though we ignored your questions.

You ignore what people have to say. It's that simple.

And honestly, you're the last person to mock others for using ad hominem attacks. You use them quite often.

Yet you continue to ask questions while ignoring our answers just to try to get a rise out of us.

If you want to be disingenuous, that's up to you. But I'll ask you nicely to stop derailing the thread with your hateful comments. If you want to ask questions, cool, but some of us are honestly seeking answers to Biblical questions.

Be real.

 

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My question was how can you tell what is to be taken literally versus metaphorically in the bible when the miraculous is to be taken along with what is supposed literal, you say that an answer has been given, what is it?

When do I make personnel attacks, I believe you have criticizing religion and personnel insult grossly confused.

Example?

Are my questions not valid, how are they different from yours?

I second that.

 

Similes, What others have mentioned. If these literary elements aren't used then we can expect them to be literal. We went into more than just that, but it seemed like you just glossed over it so to me it seemed like you ignored what was said.

Well, ignoring what we are saying then going into how we support murder and bigotry when we have explained how this isn't the case (sermon on the mount) then I can say that I am not confusing criticism for 'personal attacks' (I said hateful comments - concerning the faith - not personal attacks).

There have been many made throughout this thread, such as subtle suggestions that we aren't intelligent and whatnot. You're an intelligent guy; Pretty sure that you know what you're doing

Well, once something has been explained to me, I move on and add to what has been said. My questions are respectable because I don't sneak in little subtle comments with them. You also have a habit of bringing up old questions, probably to suggest that they weren't answered the way that you wanted it to be answered.

You also seem to have an agenda to discredit the Bible instead of actually learning what is being explained to you. So you listen to our answers, but you move on as though nothing has happened. Probably because you see us as not as intelligent as you and probably also ignorant. That's not a very honest way to handle questions or a good way to treat others, for that matter.

I third it

 

Please, you were talking about killing, not subtle hinting.

In any case I have already said that the Bible outright says you shouldn't be a homosexual if you want to be a Christian.

Still there is no hinting, subtle or otherwise in the Christian Greek Scriptures that Christians should put homosexuals to death.

Well in some of your previous posts you have discussed what you believe to be "loving acts" and now you say that; "the statement love your enemies is as masochistic and oxymoronic a phrase as any" and they seem to go hand in hand. Making what I said not an ad hominem attack but then that may mean that you don't what that means either.

And your definition of love is to aid them to do evil? Like I say to me that sounds perverted.

As for my definition of Love:
Love is long-suffering and kind. Love is not jealous, it does not brag, does not get puffed up, does not behave indecently, does not look for its own interests, does not become provoked. It does not keep account of the injury. It does not rejoice over unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth. It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

Love never fails.

Come on, Rudenoodle you're doing a whole lot more than just asking questions.

One should never have to ask another to show love, that should be a given.

You wouldn't be untruthful in your posts would you? Deliberately trying to mislead?

Sorry, I don't belong to the Catholic Church.

I merely pointed out what the Bible says about them and my "cult" owes them nothing, for the only thing they spread was hatred, death and lies.

No it shows that what God wants us to know is still the same.

I have answered all of your questions honestly.

As for ad-hominem attacks being typically Christian, I believe that if you look at any discussion I've had with non-Christians and count the ad-hominem attacks, I believe that any ad-hominem attacks that I may have made are out numbered at least 100 to 1.

 

Personally, I would say that in this example from this very thread, implying that I'm unreasonable and offensive or arrogant would seem to be a personal insult rather than just a criticism of religion.