Bible Questions?

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  1. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Personal beliefs? If someone personally believes that it's okay to murder you, don't you think it would be good for God to discriminate against such a personal belief?
     
  2. def zeppelin

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    I can be the same way, man.

    I understand that one. I loved (still do) the whole 'lol jesus' (Knock knock, who's there? Jesus: LOL") comics and all the other jokes. Good stuff.

    Agreed. Sometimes one on one talk works best though. I never seen anyone's beliefs change through straight out arguing, personally. Militant atheists make me cringe... any kind of zealot, really. I think that their intentions could be going against their ending goal.
     
  3. OlderWaterBrother

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    Even if those beliefs start affecting your life in a good way?
     
  4. Rudenoodle

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    If it was to be in some way proven that Jesus Chrisy was not the son of a God, but instead a simple preacher wanting to change the world, would it have a detrimental effect on Christianity?

    Is it not the substance that counts, or does the Christian mythology revolve around peoples credulous acceptation of supposed delivered wisdom?

    I'm trying to put this as simply as I can without offending anyone but would Christianity still be around today if it weren't for the at times somewhat tedious "miracles" claimed of in the bible?
     
  5. Skizm

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    It really depends on what way. If a religious charity helps me in a time of need because their supreme power said it was a good thing to do then I will praise that (I'm a utilitarianism). If a religious organization (Much like the Catholic church) trys to infringe on someone's personal life in a negative way, I'm against that.

    Yeah, I agree. While I have a little bit of that militant atheist in me (I'm just a natural-born arguer) I try to keep it civil at all times. Although people who go out of their way to say "ur godz is fayke!!11 sheeple!" make me sick.
     
  6. OlderWaterBrother

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    Thanks. In your comment you didn't distinguish and I was just wondering what you believed.



    I kind feel the same way about "Christians" that do the same. Were as, I too can be pretty forceful, I try to keep it civil. After all we are "attacking" ideas, not people.
     
  7. OlderWaterBrother

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    Detrimental? I guess it depends on what you mean by detrimental, for some of “Christianity” it would probably improve it.

    What the Bible says appears to be wise and practical even if it wasn’t delivered wisdom.

    Probably not, the purpose of the “miracles” was to show who were God’s people at any one time. Such as in the first century, the "miracles" showed that God had turned his attention away from the Jews and had turned toward Jesus and his disciples and Christianity.
     
  8. jmt

    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    is thrills a sin??

    like lets say going illegal car racing or jumping off bridges thrills?.......
     
  9. Rudenoodle

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    Do you believe that Jesus could be of a natural birth and still further the same exact methods of philosophy he does under the assumption that he was conceived by divine measures, if so why the healing of just a blind man, why not cure blindness?

    Could all of the miracles be taken as allegorical instead of literal, and if so will this be the new trend Christianity will take in the future?
     
  10. Face Eater

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    So it is possible that you could be wrong?
     
  11. OlderWaterBrother

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    Is it possible that you could be wrong?
     
  12. Face Eater

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    Of course, that is a given.

    That wasn't my question though.
     
  13. OlderWaterBrother

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    Well your answer is also my answer. There is always the possibility, no how much evidence and proof that one has, that you can be wrong. Of course the opposite is true as well, that a person with very little evidence or proof can be right. Although those with a lot of evidence and proof tend to be right more often than not.
     
  14. OlderWaterBrother

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    No, I don't believe so, the miracles are necessary for many facets of what Christianity is saying.

    What I was saying is that most of "Christianity" has gone so far off track that a belief in Jesus as just a man of natural birth and no miracles would bring them closer to being on course.

    They could and some do and this is already a trend in "Christianity" but will not lead one to the truth.
     
  15. OlderWaterBrother

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    Depends on what you call thrills, some are thrilled by listening to good music and that wouldn't be a sin.
     
  16. Skizm

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    I'm sorry but that is wrong. More evidence and proof reduces the chance that you're wrong.
     
  17. jmt

    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    am talking about the thrill i listed.
     
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    Unless you are an Islamic fundamentalist :p
     
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    Did your choice to come into this forum come from a force outside yourself? Of course not. You entered this forum willingly, and for a reason.

    May it be to quench your thirst for knowledge, or to thwart those whom believe. Whatever the reason, you made the choice.

    So...... As far as this forum is concerned, your statement is redundant.

    But, as far as regular day to day life is concerned, I agree wholeheartedly with you.

    One concept that young (new) Christians fail to get is that there's no need to stand and tell a non believer what path they NEED to take. In fact, this can be counter productive. Evidence of that can be found in the post I quoted. This is a legitimate gripe , and should be addressed by all Christians.

    Are we working for God, or ourselves? Because if we're working for God, we won't preach to unbelievers. We just plant seeds. The Holy Spirit's job is to sprout that seed for you. Only he knows precisely what that person NEEDS to hear. The job gets finished up as soon as the person lays their head on the pillow. IF WE GIVE HIM A CHANCE.

    While we may feel good about how we stood up for the Lord, it's just a self centered satisfaction whose rewards we will receive on earth, not in Heaven. Right here, where they were laid. So basically, that misguided satisfaction IS your reward.

    If we piss folks off before the Holy Spirit can get a shot at him/her, we've done God a disservice.

    Sin is a personal thing. We can't tell you what a sin is unless it's cut and dried. Murder, theft, bla, bla...

    This is why God provided us with the Holy Spirit. His job is the communicator of God. God speaks directly to you through him. You might know the Holy Spirit as your conscience. But that voice in your head telling you what's right, and what's wrong? That's God talking directly to you.

    So, the answer is. I dunno. You tell us. What's God saying about it?


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  20. jmt

    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    ...you sound like one of my friends......but still is the feeling of liking thrills? a sin?
     
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