Bible Questions?

Knowing about germs and viruses hasn't seemed to help either. The Polio epidemic was pretty much a result of that knowledge and Aids and other STDs could be eliminated or at least minimized if mankind acted on that knowledge and stopped "schlepping" everything in sight.

Mankind does not know the real purpose of these creatures and they were never made for the purpose of infecting mankind and they would not if mankind was perfect but because sin entered the world and mankind is no longer perfect that allows for these infections to take place.

 

But what about the diseases such as small pox that have been all but wipe out, are you really going to discount the millions of lives that have been saved do to scientific study of these diseases?

But does not mankind know the mechanisms for most of these infections, such as blood transfer or in the case of Malaria mosquitoes?

If mankind was to take up the stance that it's simply no longer "perfect" instead of studying these ailments would we not still be crippled by even the common Flu?

To say that all the bad things that happen to mankind is directly the fault of two people long ago who apparently represented us all is cynical and quite ignorant in my opinion.

 

In what way did I discount lives saved? Because I said that that Polio epidemic was a direct result of that knowledge or that the Spanish Influenza killed millions despite our knowing about the causes of disease? What about Aids, it’s killed millions despite our “advanced” knowledge? As for small pox, it’s killing millions is almost a direct result of our desire to gather together in large groups rather spread out over the Earth as God asked.

No, mankind does not know the purpose of these organisms, mankind only know the affects they can have sometimes on humans but that is not their purpose.

For some yes but even then, when told how these infections can be avoided, do they? The mechanisms for the spread of AIDs has been known almost from the beginning and yet people continue to get infected, why is that?

When did I ever say that these ailments should not be studied? I merely stated that they are not meant to attack perfect humans, I did not say that we are now perfect and until we are, they will continue to be a problem for mankind. But again should we be depending on someone finding a cure, when we can do a lot to prevent such illnesses from entering our lives, just by living a healthy lifestyle.

Your skin, eye and hair color is directly the fault of your parents, now you can call that cynical and quite ignorant if you wish but it’s true none the less. And that is how we inherited sin and imperfection from our ancestors, Adam and Eve.

Also I didn’t say that all the bad things that happen to mankind are directly the fault of Adam and Eve, people can bring a lot of bad into their lives just by making their own bad choices.

 

Small pox infections are at an all time low, some claim it is nearly extinct, of course it could always evolve into a strain that will require the human race to find a new cure, also are you truly blaming the victims of this virus for there contraction of it, just becasue they choose not to live as hermits in the woods?

the purpose of these organisms is the same as the human species, to reproduce and continue to live.

Contaminated blood transfusion, ignorance as to the methods of infections and of course the catholic church ruling that birth control including condoms is a sin.

Also some people simply choose to take the risk, that's there choice.

So you say the only way to rid our species of disease is to become perfect, how would you define a perfect human, were Adam and eve made Perfect?

So by your reasoning sin is a genetic flaw that can be observed and traced through the blood line, originally inherited to the human race two beings who were themselves sinful, sounds like a lose, lose stance your taking.

 

whats the verse where it talks about if you dont work you dont deserve the daily bread? i believe i read this in matthew but where?

 

Sorry, all I could find was this at 2 Thessalonians 3:10; In fact, also, when we were with YOU, we used to give YOU this order: “If anyone does not want to work, neither let him eat.”

 

Will the devil ever be given life again as he was before he turned himself into the deceiver? In other words, will the deceiver ever be brought back to life, not as his sinful self, but recreated as he was before his fall? I feel bad that even the devil would be cut off from life forever.

What caused the devil's downfall to begin with? I don't understand how perfect beings in the presence of God's love could ever fall away.

After Christ's return, peace is supposed to be eternal, but what would prevent similar situations of angels falling from grace after the return of the Christ?

 

Adam and Eve before the fall were supposed to be perfect beings. God is described as being the only one that can be described as being holy, perfect, and good. Were the prophets holy? When God's plan is completed what part of us will be perfected? Only our bodies? Spirit? both? If both, would that mean that we could become both holy and perfect?

What separates us from God? Are we entirely different entities or are we God in genetic spacesuits? When the Bible says that God and us are one, then why can we cannot say that we are God if we are in fact one? To be symbolic, are we like two threads of different colors that make up the same outfit, or are we that outfit?

My friend brought up that we could be God's delusions. Are we our own, completely distinct person, or a person that confuses itself from its source to gain the perception of uniqueness? For example, the Hinduistic mindset that we are God's play.

What does it mean that we have the spark of God in us?

 

No, Satan was perfect when he sinned and thus unlike imperfect mankind, he knew what he was doing when he turned against God and so doesn't deserve a second chance like imperfect mankind does.

As James 1:14-15 says; "But each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire. Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin; in turn, sin, when it has been accomplished, brings forth death." So we see, even perfect people can have wrong desires but we do not have to dwell on them to the point that they become fertile and we act on them. This what Satan did, he dwelt on wanting the worship that rightly belonged to God and then acted on that desire.

We are now living through a Universal Trial and that trial is to judge who is right, God or Satan. Satan in the beginning did not say he was more powerful than God, something easily and quickly determined but Satan accused God of ruling badly and incorrectly, actually withholding what is good from his creations. These charges could not be easily or quickly resolved, if God just immediately destroyed Satan, these charges would not have been dis-proven, So Satan and disobedient mankind have been allowed time to try and prove they can do a better job of determining what what is good and bad, right and wrong. Well that trial is almost over, soon mankind will see what the truth of those charges are because God will have to step in and save mankind from itself and its bad choices.

In the future, there will be no need for another lengthy trial because the charges will have already been proven false and so if in the new system someone "falls from grace", they will, being perfect, have decided their own fate and will immediately be allowed to follow Satan into everlasting cutting off.

 

I’m sorry, what I was trying to say is; it’s killing of millions “in the past”.

And yes, that is what I’m saying. I read an interesting article about why the Europeans had all these wonderful diseases to give to the New World but why didn’t the New World didn’t have anything to offer in return. The bottom line being a fatal disease needs a group of about a million people or more to work through to develop. Anything less and the disease kills everyone and then dies itself but with larger groups before it kills everybody a new generation grows up that it can keep killing. Europe had many of these large populations and the New world did not.

Of course I believe God created everything and thus everything has a purpose and that purpose is not just “to reproduce and continue to live”.

The Bible does give indications that we should avoid blood and some believe that should include blood transfusions and that would protect them from infection. Who is ignorance of methods of infection, now a days? The Bible says nothing about birth control and especially not condoms but it does say we should engage in monogamy and that would all but eliminate AIDs as a problem.

So, God is to blame for people making bad choices even though he warn them against it?

Yes, Adam and Eve were made prefect and were immune to all diseases and we would be too, if they had not become imperfect and passed that imperfection on to us.

Since we are all of Adam and Eve’s blood line, what’s to trace? Observed? We all die and that is a observable inherited flaw that we got from Adam and Eve.

 

While it's not quite a direct question, I humbly offer this to the discussion.

'Tis the Season To Be IncredulousThe moral and aesthetic nightmare of Christmas.
By Christopher Hitchens

But why is a magazine of the intelligentsia doing this to us, and to itself, this month? Tooley wants to prove that the legendary Jesus would have been more judicious and perhaps more neoconservative on these points. How can he hope to know that, or even to guess at it? Suppose we put the question like this: Imagine that conclusive archaeological and textual evidence emerged to prove that the whole story of the birth, life, and death of Jesus of Nazareth was either a delusion or a fabrication? Suppose the mother had admitted shyly that, in fact, she had fallen pregnant for predictable reasons? Suppose we found the post-Calvary body?

Serious Christians, of the sort I have been debating lately, would have no choice but to consider such news as absolutely calamitous. The light of the world would have gone out; the hope of humanity would have been extinguished. (The same obviously would apply to Muslims who couldn't bear the shock of finding that their prophet was fictional or fraudulent.) But I invite you to consider things more lucidly. If all the official stories of monotheism, from Moses to Mormonism, were to be utterly and finally discredited, we would be exactly where we are now. All the agonizing questions that we face, from the idea of the good life and our duties to each other to the concept of justice and the enigma of existence itself, would be just as difficult and also just as fascinating. It takes a totalitarian mind-set to claim that only one Bronze Age Palestinian revelation or prophecy or text can be our guide through this labyrinth. If the totalitarians cannot bear to abandon their adoration of their various Dear Leaders, can they not at least arrange to hold their ceremonies in private? Either that or give up the tax-exempt status that must remind them so painfully of the things of this material world.

This is just an excerpt the whole thing can be read here http://www.slate.com/id/2206713/

 

Like what? Montezuma's revenge? I would hardly compare that to Cholera, Typhus, Diphtheria and Small pox that were brought to the new world.

No

Germs? Yeah sure.

I have invented nothing, I just go by what the Bible says. Why, isn't that what Christians are suppose to do?

A cure for AIDS doesn't stop other STDs, so I guess I would have to say; the world all participating in monogamist relationships.

Since I've already answered this a hundred times, what's once more? No, I don't believe AIDS is a divine punishment.

Well, at least I know you have "faith" that there is no God.

No

So you say.

That's because that's what you believe.

 

I don't celebrate Christmas because it is based on a lie and is for the most part of Pagan origins in all it's facets. Hope that helps.

 

"jesus is the reason for the season"

 

I've heard that but Jesus said we should worship in spirit and truth and the truth is that Dec 25 is not even close to when Jesus was born.

 

I know what you mean I really don't celebrated much any type of festivals.....

 

I have heard that according to the bible there is no lake of fire or punishment after death, so this is my question, how did this guy come to a different conclusion reading the same bible?

On what scripture is he misinterpreting his ideas?

thanks for any analysis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnp0eGjl-1E&feature=related

 

"On what scripture is he misinterpreting his ideas?" On what scripture is he basing his ideas? He went almost seven minutes and never cites one scripture.

So, "how did this guy come to a different conclusion reading the same bible?" I'm not sure he's even read the Bible.

 

Most of you don't know shit about the bible or jesus "WHY > religious movements also known by the name Cult or Cult's