Best psychedelic to "turn someone on"?

Salvia was my first drug experience, even before weed.
I did it, loved it, and I've come back to psychedelia countless times.
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i tried salvia before mushrooms or L..so i guess it was my first psychedelic. but i didn't break through. if i had, i might have been scared away from tripping again.

how can you fully understand psychedelics before you take one? i still don't think THAT means you fully understand them

i gave L to my younger brother when he had no knowledge about what LSD was. of course, i know him quite well and was pretty sure he could handle it

 

As far as RC's go, I'd say 4-AcO-DMT. While it can be VERY intense, it is also very forgiving. It's like a strong female........it shows you what you need to be shown, sometimes forcefully, but it is very gentle in doing so. It has everything a psychedelic virgin needs to see what psychedelics have to offer; music enhancement, beautiful visuals, amazing headspace, gentle comeup, intensity, etc.

 

Best psychedelic to "turn someone on"?

I'm surprised nobody has made a rohypnol joke yet.

 

My 3 most eye opening psychedelic moments have been:

2nd LSD trip (3 hits)
1st time taking ecstasy at a rave
Salvia breakthrough

I think without the context of prior psychedelic experiences, utilizing and getting anything out of salvia and dmt for a novice psychedelic user will be difficult.


Mushrooms was my first psychedelic experience, but I think LSD is the most complete psychedelic experience there is so I say: LSD, shrooms/4-ac0 dmt, Mescaline, 2ce, Ecstasy at a rave.

 

Dident read all but to be safe I would say 2c-I,e,b as it's really visual but not to much mental for the power of the visuals but other good ones 2c-t7, 5-meo-mipt, 5-meo-dipt,5-meo-dmt,4-ho-det and met and dpt if you can find it

 

Always ask this question but what dose did you take t7 at?

With regards to p0ly's earlier post no I havn't tried lsd and 4-aco-dmt neither have my friends. So no, I suppose I don't know. To be honest 22mg miprocin would've been a wonderful first exp.

 

5-meo-mipt is good. Mushie was my first and fantastic. However L mostly from then on. I'd say the mipt cause it is so gentle. However, availability is an issue. Another suggestion is low dose mushie. Kinda like mipt, and only 4-6 hours. L is nice when known quality, but if bad, or dependent on the person, 6-8 hrs is a long ride.

So if it's mushie or L that are the choices for beginnings, I tell the person to smoke a bunch o weed. Talk about easy as well as hallucinogenic. Kind of gets you into that mindstate of not being in a usual mindstate...

 

^^but weed isn't REALLY a trip. so would you tell them, 5-meo-mipt, mushies or L for their first trip?

can you tell me more about your experience 5-meo-mipt? how long does that one last at what doses? how was the trip?

 

do you mean MET and DPT, or 4-ho-met and 4-ho-dpt?

and do you mean that these chems are good starter ones, or just good all around?

 

Think of a poor first time user doing DPT.

 

^^^that's what i'm thinking. i've never done it, but i've read enough about it..

 

I would not reccommend DPT to anyone for their first psychedelic experience but I think 40-50 mgs Intramuscular is a pretty manageable and worthwhile trip.

 

5-meo-mipt for sure. If not that, probably 1.5-2g of mushies (if avg quality). Just on personal experience, between the waves of the L trip can be kinda janky, ghost in the machine feel, as well as a tad twacked coming down. But don't get me wrong, beautiful and recommended. However, possibly overwhelming. But, tripped with a kid on his first trip on L and went well... so set and setting.

Only did mipt once at 6mg which lasted about 6 hours with an L'ish after glow. The mipt had a more recreational feel, like it was toying to be mushie, but light without the mind fog or ego punishment (yay, public is standable-but each their own). I took it before dusk and was coming on with 6-8 friends. It gave a nice energy body buzz, lines and colors were augmented, if not "breathing" at points. Later that day, smoked some ganja and listened to music with pleasurable enhancement. With the smoke and night time, trails and textures became more apparent. So while having conflicting results, my anecdotal is nice body buzz like mushie, a mix of subdued visuals like L and mushie, and a clearer headspace like L, but not as clear as 2ce.

Unfortunate only experienced once, and would like to try again at 8, if not 10+ mg. However, the friend that provided it, experienced, and heard that it doesn't really get any "better" at higher dosages.

Hope that helps, and forgive the length.

 

Do you have any experience with Ecstasy?

I've done 5-meo mipt a few times now (up to 8 mgs, snorted ~ 5 mgs one night) and I enjoy the glow (color enhancement) alot, I have had a similar feeling from a few phens but it was interesting having it come from a tryptamine. Other than that I did not really get any visuals from it, maybe some very very soft after imagining, I definitely would have liked to smoke some weed on it. The experience has some unmistakable tryptamine qualities to it but in my experience it's been much closer to ecstasy than mushrooms or LSD.

 

^Nada on the Ecstasy. A.) cause quality, if not identity, would be questionable. B.) stimulants are not quite my bag, and I have a fear (probably irrational) of the heart effects. So suggestion and otherwise innocent physical effects gets me wary.

Furthermore, the long-term effects are unknown, and their is a chance of dying. (Of course moderation helps a fuck-load)

Friends have suggested it highly, which is getting my interest. ...bk-mdma has been around...

Probably gonna do it sometime, but probably more for the setting of an outdoor rave, or the right woman, lol.

Mention of 2c-b has come about, is that at all comparable?

Edit: okay, meant the terminology of rolling, which I've heard is stimulantie.

 

Alot of those effect you worry about, are ones that I as well as many I know have had before trying Ecstasy, the only one that really holds any weight at all is the purity issue. It lowers inhibitions so any worry you have about your heart concerns will pretty much be erased once you start to peak, it's different than pretty much every other stimulant I've done. I've never known anyone to have a panic attack off of it except when taking extremely high doses (7 pills). Definitely a rave or a intimate evening are the way to go if you get around to trying it, Bk-mdma is decent but it's certainly no replacement.


I think 5 meo mipt is more comparable to Ecstasy than 2cb is.

As far as 2cb goes, it's a really quality experience it kind of has the same deal as 5 meo mipt where lower doses are more recreational and enjoyable and higher doses get more psychedelic, but for some like myself so does the stimulation, which I did not enjoy. Many here hold higher doses in positive regard, I've taken 2cb up to 35 mgs but I prefer the 25-30 mgs range with that one. If I were to land a good amount of 2cb again, I'd probably be willing to try 50 mgs though.

 

GB, does 5meomipt remind you of other phens besides MDMA?
also what exactly is the 'stimulation' you get from higher doses of 2cb?

i just up moxy in TiHKAL and noticed that all the commentaries say little to no visuals, at oral doses of 6 mg or less.

about 2cb - i found it very mild / barely noticeable at 20 mg and even 30 mg (but the 30 was the day after LSD, and i suspect that batch of 2cb may have been slightly degraded). at 36 and 44 mg it was an amazing psychedelic!! i prefer lower doses of 2ce however

 

Not really, it feels like a tryptamine roll to me.

With 2cb, I got uncontrollable hand shaking and an ancy feeling that didn't really let me settle into the positive effects all that well, it felt very artificial to me. I did notice the visuals picked up though, so I'm hoping if I get a chance to try 50 mgs it will kind of let me breakthrough that weird ~35 mgs stage.

 

^^^hmm, i personally didn't experience any of that (thankfully)
i just wish the stuff didn't give me such a headache. it would be like...the perfect drug otherwise