If you're implying that I like rap, then you are wrong. I hate rap. But black metal does encourage violence - what else do you call burning churches and trying to kill rival bands. They are psychotic lunatics.
If every black metal band would be burning down churches there wouldn't be a church standing in most parts of Europe. I think you take them a bit too serious. However, you're right that most of their lyrics aren't really human-friendly.
There are psychotic lunatics everywhere, and not by far all black metal musicians can be counted among them. Not every black metal musician goes about killing people or burning churches. Also, you don't have to be a psychotic lunatic to burn or kill anything. I don't accuse you of liking rap, I accuse rap for inciting far more violence than black metal does.
Ok, well, you're wrong. One of the guys from *enter band from any genre* shot himself. See how that works? What difference do you suppose what music he played made in his decision to off himself? Also, the picture was used in a bootleg live album not put out by Mayhem. The whole "bone" necklace thing hasn't been proven as anything more than a rumor, surely wikipedia mentions that as well? You should probably get your facts straight before making such rediculious posts... By your logic, all country musicians must be racist, all rap artists must be sexist and murderous, all rock musicians must be drugged out, ect...
I've never seen anyone successfully burn a Church down. Hell, I've never ever seen anyone try. Have you? And I think killing rival bands is a bit extreme. Black Metal doesn't encourage violence; brainless morons *may* listen to some Black Metal music and then decide to go out and cause destruction. However, if they choose to do so then that is their own decision and so that should in NO WAY be related to the music they were listening to. It's a pisstake; and if people out there are causing mayhem after listening to Black Metal then they are fucking it up for the genre's fans; giving them a dirty reputation.
I kind of like those antichristian, pagan glorifying and grim and frostbitten lyrics, does that mean I bother christians myself or pulling an angry face all day? Nope. Now playing Nargaroth - Black metal ist krieg. Fuck yeah!
The true words of a religious freak himself. It's a fucking good job you AIN'T havin a go at Metallideth - I mean, you have no reason to! None whatsoever, in fact, he has more of a reason to have a go at you. You're being a stereotypical motherfucker with a great absence of real knowledge and understanding.
Killing yourself isn't sick, but using it as an album cover is. And Mayhem admitted to using his skull as a necklace. The one that isn't true is that they made a stew from his brains. They are all sad. I mean, Gorgoroth, Necrobutcher? Losers..
Dude, most of them are putting up a show. If you can't see beyond that you're the loser. I agree those actions like burning churches, cutting themselves on stage and messing with dead band members are pretty sad, but how many black metal musicians are doing that? Get a grip, man. If you don't like or get the music, or get offended by anti-human lyrics just ignore them. Do you also believe they all wear corpsepaint in real life?
I don't get offended by black metal lyrics or band members, or burning churches for that matter, but I think that a lot of them really are like that. This is just some of the stuff from wikipedia. In 1992, Bård Faust of the band Emperor was in Lillehammer to see the newly constructed Olympic park. A homosexual man named Rhys Adamec approached him and suggested that they go together in the nearby forest. Faust agreed, and once in the forest, stabbed the man to death. After Faust committed the murder, he went with members of Mayhem to burn Bibles and hymnals at a nearby ski-jump. In the fall of 1993, police began to investigate the murder of Øystein Aarseth from Mayhem, naming Varg Vikernes as a suspect; this investigation eventually led to the conviction of Faust for the murder in Lillehammer. He was interviewed for a black metal mini-documentary that accompanied the DVD release of Metal: A Headbanger's Journey. There was also a conflict known as the "Dark War" between Norwegian and Finnish black metal scenes during 1992-1993. This started when Nuclear Holocaust of Beherit started to make prank calls in the middle of the night to Samoth of Emperor and to Mika Luttinen of Impaled Nazarene. The calls were mainly just babbling and playing of children's songs. Luttinen somehow got the idea that the language babbled was Norwegian and they were making death threats to him. These speculations were made by him probably because of the tensions between Finnish and Norwegian scenes in that time, as Euronymous wanted to lead his black metal movement into a more occult stance, where as Finnish scene continued with the more easy going attitude and LaVeyan Satanism. The "war" itself was also more than just talk. In the album cover of the Impaled Nazarene's Tol Cormpt Norz Norz Norz you can find texts like "No orders from Norway accepted" and "Kuolema Norjan kusipäille!" (Death to Norwegian assholes!). After their first LP, Impaled Nazarene quit playing black metal and defined their style as "Satanic death metal", disassociating themselves from the church burnings in Norway. The Finnish band Black Crucifixion also became known to criticize Darkthrone as "posers" and "trendies" in every possible interview.Beherit didn't really participate in the conflict, yet in Norway there was a band called Fuck Beherit which released two demos mocking the band. The conflict is also said to have had an effect on Beherit's decision to quit black metal, but there isn't anything concrete to this, only the somewhat same date. The conflict ended as both scenes withered. It was normal in European countries for Black metal enthusiasts to terrorize other notable Death metal bands that were touring their country or in neighboring countries, on the basis of their lack of apparent "evilness" (the death metal sub-genre focuses strictly on theatrics, and is mostly devoid of major criminal attempts and controversy, unlike black metal). Many recall a strong Swedish death metal and Norwegian black metal rivalry. I'm sorry, but that is pathetic. And so is disembowling animals on stage. I'm not opposed to black metal (freedom of choice and all that) and perhaps black metal has a bad image that is unjustified, but I still find it weird.
I agree those things are weird, but as you see, that mocking stuff and trying to look as evil possible are just poser actions and image building. Silly indeed, but I can see that apart from the music. Also because there are a lot of bands in that genre who doesn't act like that or just keep their image on stage, but also because the music's appeals to me of course. When you don't like the music there's a lot of sillyness left to see in the black metal genre, I agree with that. That doesn't make black metal sad nor their musicians losers, in my opinion.
Most of us here know all the suicide, murder and arson stories by heart. I've been listening to black metal for 5, 6 years and I've done my research. However, I don't know about any Wars among black metal bands, Dark or otherwise - only indeed about the rivalry between Swedish death metal and the then growing Norwegian black metal scene, which was mostly an arms race and very healthy from the BM perspective - but then again, that text of yours speaks of prank calls and calling each other posers... seems like someone is trying to make very childish little things sound very sensational, or what? Dark War, my arse.
I got that from wikipedia, so it may not be true, but I still find black metal weird and kinda scary. I'm not putting it (or you) down, but that's how I feel.
It's okay. I guess scariness is exactly the image they're trying to uphold. I think a lot of bands are overdoing it. Despite that, I like corpsepaint etcetera, only the positions they take during photosessions is very laughable. So be it. It still feels like *my* music, and I'm happy with it. Have you tried the band Drudkh? I think you might like it. It's very unique. I especially recommend the track Glare of autumn, which is very warmly harmonic, laid-back, atmospheric and psychedelically hypnotising, with unconventional melodies. The vocals are typical black metal screams but they don't really distract, I think. All in all it doesn't sound very evil. It might sway your mind about the genre, or at least provide you with a very psychedelic landscape-painting song you would most probably honestly enjoy. I've bought the cd where that song is on a few days ago.