Best form of government?

Green, I'm happy you're a communist. But please don't tell me how you survived in your great country. Good luck. Stop judging other countries until you know where they are, what they are, how many provinces they have. If you can't answer my 3 basic questions, shut the fuck up. You're just a kid. You should talk less and learn more.

 

Thanks, that's mutual. You kinda pissed me off at first, but you made me think, and that's a good thing *I think*... Now, where was I again? I've been outta the loop for months...

...oh yeah...

YES! This made my day!

...The government that serves the best interest of the most citizens, one which favors freedom over "security", in which everyone has equal opportunities to better themselves, yet the resources aren't ridiculously horded by a select few elitists who arbitrarily wage war on foreign countries to serve their self interests, and every citizen has the basic needs like medical care, food, and shelter, is that so fucking difficult?...I guess it is...

I kinda like the Japanese system the US laid out for them in their constitution, in which there's a cap on the ratio of what the highest paid (CEO) can make relative to the lowest paid worker, I think it's something like 100:1. Compare that with what CEOs make in the US, it's more like 1,000,000:1 in many cases, absurd, indecent and immoral, I don't care how hard they worked for it, it ain't right...

...There I go again delving into the economic aspects of it, but isn't that what government is about anyway, distribution of the (common) wealth?

 

Erm.... Its just a technical point about the poll,
but Anarchy isnt a form of government, and neither is a monarchy.
Britain is a monarchy but the monarch has no political sway over the people
the government is (allegedly) democratically elected. The country is a democracy with a monarch. An absolute monarch would reign but would not be classed as a government, they would be classed as a ruler. monarch = single leader
anarch =no leader
plutarch = oligarchy of wealthy citizens

oligarchy and plutocracy are virtually interchangeable terms
so they mean the same thing

 

Oligarchy.

Democracy is massively flawed, anarchy amount to nothing.

 

the best form of governemnt is "service state annonymous".

that is to say, "welfare" and infrastructure while staying out of sight and out of mind.
i know that requires a bit of explanation, but the point is we can get by just fine
without guns or money. if people are encouraged, empowered and enabled to
potlatch and do it themselves, and i'm sorry but the circular illogic of little green
pieces of paper and trying to make everything have to begin and end with them
is doing anything but.

the best form of government has no kings, rulers or presidents, no political parties, and standing hierarchy. it serves rather then damands. every ordinary and considerate person is at the top. local coordinators are choosen by plurality from among those who know and are served by them. further levels are to limit local coordinators from committing to draconic policies and to insure the existence of such environmentaly harmonious physical infrastructure as may be neccessary to the carrying out of the tasks of local coordination and to enable the gratification and mutual bennifit of individual lives.

to prevent people from starving, freezing, or beating each other over the head, is the only excuse there is to ever have any government of any kind, and yes, that also means insuring the nondevistation of the habitates of other then 'human' creatures as well.

on a planetary level it exists to insure freedom of movement to individuals without reguard to regeonal jurisdictions and to maintain peacable relationships with the populations of other worlds.

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Agreed, a government that serves the people and that governs least is the way to go. I've had folks from Europe tell me that the US is a police state, which is sort of ironic considering the visions of freedom our Founding Fathers had when they wrote the Constitution.

The best government is one in which the people can govern themselves with minimal supervision, but the only way to achieve that is to provide a system in which all citizens are treated equally with equal opportunities for self actualization. Unfortunately, that would require a re-distribution of wealth--the rich elitists would need to part with much of their wealth, and we know that ain't gonna happen...

...Plutocracy, that's what we've got...

 

what could happen is a refocusing of the whole concept of what wealth is and isn't. and several events could very well, some are even likely to, come along and force that to happen.

i have a little sneaking feeling that when the oil runs out people are going to be forced to rethink a lot of things. and even before that, some of the effects of global warming that we're already beggining to see may do that as well.

so whatever conditions we are facing now. everything does keep chainging, however much anyone may for whatever reason want it not to.

what it would take for capitolism to work to anyone's real bennifit are three things:

1) retailing being 'mom and pop'
2) infrastructure being unionized
3) some degree of 'socialism' to keep it honest

precisely what has kept europe someplace people still want to go to at least to visit. and what, except for mccarthyism the u.s. too had pretty much in 60s and 70s and even to a degree in the 50s.

but really no economic idiology is the answer. rather the avoidance of being fanatical about any of them. we don't need guns or money.
just a modicum of self dicipline and decency, which i beleive we are perfectly capable of. that and some way to keep political opportunists from screwing it all up the way they currently have.

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Yes! What we need more than a change in economic ideology or form of government is a shift in our collective moral values. Capitalism isn't necessarily the problem--indeed the pursuit of wealth can be a good thing when it inspires us to better ourselves through hard work and education, provided we all have equal opportunity to do so, and we are rewarded equally for our efforts.

It's the collective decline in morality that's the problem, and the social disease that's resulted (and yeah, I mean this metaphorically, like STDs). If we as a society could become collectively less opportunistic, self absorbed, and focused on the base things like materialism, and get more grounded in the big picture and how we interact with our environment, the current system could work. More freedom is better, provided the majority of citizens have a common vision, are morally decent, and capable of policing themselves. A higher "standard of living" does not necessarily imply better well being. US citizens enjoy the highest standard of living in the world, yet we are far from the happiest or the healthiest.

We need to get away from consumerism. Instead of shopping to fill some sort of perceived void, we need to get outside more, and enjoy the simple things that nature can provide. Furthermore, we need more incentives to preserve the environment, like higher taxation on fuel and gas guzzling vehicles, greener sources of packaging and materials used to manufacture products, and embedding the cost of disposal/recycling of a product in the cost of the product up front, instead of after the fact...

 

Anarchy. one for one. do for yourself. which is all most people do anyway. we are living a restricted form of anarchy.

 

:toetap: I can not vote on this on, because there is no truly good form of national government. Let's just abolish all governments, and go tribal.

 

the best form of government is to so dicipline one's self as to not need to be governed.

soverign hierarchies, whatever idiologies they pay lip service to, have no other justification to exist then public welfare and public infrastructure.

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EXACTLY! Unfortunately, mankind doesn't seem to be capable of that...

 

Minimal.

 

participatory democracy! syndicalism. a.k.a. anarchy!

the factories to the workers, the fields to the peasants, the schools to the students, the houses to the tenants!

 

Hm... it seems like communism and democracy are the only logical options. I'm not sure which one to choose though. Communism is a beautiful idea but in practise it tends to go very wrong indeed (let's just say it's not foolproof enough). But then, if Bush, Poetin and Berlusconi are to be taken examples of democracy that's not going to cut it either.

A very socialist democracy would be best, I think, so I'll go with democracy after all, but it's more like somewhere halfway between communism and democracy.

People who opted for any of the others need to get a clue, though anarchy isn't so bad, I'm just too cynic to believe it will ever work in a way it will benefit everyone.

 

Id say the best form of government is a democracy. However, when a democracy is run like a communist government, it defeats the purpose of a government at all. Please read this president bush.

 

The BEST kind of government is NO GOVERNMENT !!!

 

i thnk idealistically communism is the best form of government, but its too bad it has never turned out the way it was written down, what with all the currupt communist governments and all.

but expiramentally, i think that a democracy is the best form of government.

 

I like that.

 

A representative democracy, held accountable to the people.