Ban all guns now!!!!

How do you figure? It was a dark, crowded theatre full of smoke. Having a gun on you wouldn't have helped unless you knew where and who the perp was. Likely more people would have been shot in panic. Owning a gun doesn't turn you into James Bond.

It was a terrible tragedy. Maybe if more attention was paid to the mentally unstable, this sort of thing wouldn't happen.

 

much like him, you werent there so you dont know if you would have been able to see him or not.
and the mental health thing is a popular topic when these things happen but mental health is still very new in the research phase and its not like there are a lot of lone wolf shootings that go on. so it would be very difficult to have some magic formula to figure out who is mentally stable and who is a threat. at the very least not without a lot more data. and then you get into the big brother deal where you have government doing tests and then deciding what each kid should and shouldnt be able to do or watch or how they should be able to play.

“Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.”- ben franklin

 

I don't think guns should be banned but just what the fuck is the point of allowing civilians access to military grade weapons?

Hunting weapons serve their purpose. Handguns can be used for self defense. But there is no reason for anyone to be walking around with an assault rifle.

 

It is very easy to build assault rifles. Its also very easy to build most weapons except for handguns. Going out and buying a military grade weapon is harder than building one from parts you choose.

 

please explain how it is easy to build an assault rifle but hard to build a handgun.
that is very interesting to me.

 

why should the military have any personal sized weapon that you can't? Do you trust the government that much? Not to imply facing off against the military, it's more the inability that they have to ever push it to that point, with a well-armed populace.

An assault rifle is much better for defense than a handgun, how about home defense. How about say, hunting dangerous animals, like around here farmers have to kill LOTS of some things, sometimes, like peckerys, which are invasive and very dangerous, and come in large numbers.

The word "assault" is scaring you, isn't it. They're big and black and scary.....

pensfan: that's a nobrainer of a question. A pistol is very compact, and making a repeating and reliable one is hard, and standardized parts ONLY fit that same type of gun. Rifles have a lot more space to work with, and an assault rifle action can be about the same as a pistols, all it needs to do is keep firing, the magizine size is about the only special thing about an assault rifle.

I don't like that sort of line being drawn. Next you could say any rifle is an assault rifle, since it could be used in an assault. You could easily call a brown bess an assault rifle, based on it's use. I think the current definition is entirely based on magazine size and semi-automatic fire ability, although I could be wrong, don't quote me. But if you can't have a type of rifle it's a very small jump to not being able to have a rifle...... remember the waco siege, where a cop or two told a judge that the type of guns that the branch davidians had, though legal, COULD BE converted into automatic weapons, and based on this, they murdered a building full of people? I'm pretty sure that all through the siege there was never automatic fire from the people inside.... From there, isn't it a pretty logical step to say that a pipe COULD be converted into a gun, or that a butter knife COULD be sharpened into a stiletto?

 

First, I personally have never build a handgun. Ive only talked with people who have. I have built a few rifles with a good friend of mine. Basically both weapons all come in pieces. The big difference between them is the rifles are used up of less small parts. Handguns are just harder to build...its what components are used to make them accurate,,,because a lot of handguns are not accurate at all..Rifles however, i believe are more accurate than handguns in general.

They are a lot easier to put together. From what ive read and searched for the parts on the market for rifles are much easier to come by then handguns. I believe that has to do with legal issues. Though im not 100% sure. One example is i can buy a 12guage shotgun no problem, but if i want a little .22 pistol it requires lots of paper work and background checks. Why this is, you'd have to ask the people who right the rules.

Its whats available on the market. It has always been easier to build a rifle. I can't give you a great answer to that statement because im not 100% sure why its always been like that....but it has.

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If they can build such guns I think we have the capacity to do so.

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Broony is right, but not in the way he thinks.
Assault rifles are easier to build and assemble because they are purposely designed that way. The AK47's popularity is because the parts are 100% interchangeable. They are designed that way so that repairs and strip downs can be completed in the field quickly.
Revolvers and automatic handguns aren't as easy when it comes to swapping parts, with the exception of the classic 1911 .45 ACP.
The .45 was also designed for rapid strip down and easy swapping of parts. The current military sidearm, the Beretta 9mil is also designed for rapid breakdown and repair and easily swapped parts.

 

Banning guns would be about as effective as banning drugs has been, it would fuel a black market and only a few law abiding citizens would give them up. DaisyMae's right about needing better mental health care, it as least might mitigate possibilities like this.

 

The sad truth is banning guns won't get them out of the hands of those whom do the most damage with them. An individual that wants to cause harm to a person or a group will sadly find a way to do so. There is too much of a political agenda attached to the very notion of gun control that it has stopped being about public safety and is now more about getting votes and controlling public opinion.

 

I hope people actually read the body of my thread and realize I wasn't serious about banning guns.

Actually, I am surprised to hear so many people making sense about this.

 

No, PR, I know exactly what you mean. Actually, I always thought you were one of the few around here that really knew your stuff about these types of topics. I'm sure we have probably disagreed on some things in the past but on this topic I agree with you 100%.

 

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So who are you exactly? Why the mystery?

 

I'll be dead,but you youngins are going to need guns one day. Orwell's 1984 is becoming reality. The Corporatocracy is seeing to it and unless people break the chains of rampant capitalism it's going to get very,very bad. Don't believe me? That's just what I'd expect. Does anyone want to think about what this government does in OUR names here and around the world?
Ahhhh-never mind--just buy more-buy more now.

 

i don't think the possession of anything you make yourself should be banned, but i have no problem with the idea of ending the mass production of fire arms and automobiles.

and i'm sorry, but no amount of people killing each other is going to end the tyranny of ideological fanatacism and economic aggressiveness. only a change in cultural attitudes can do that.
and that requires an end to romantacizing and rewarding aggressiveness. which, yes, humans ARE perfectly capable of. if i believed that crap that we weren't, i'd have never have had myself born on this earth to live and see this turning point age of it.

 

I see your point, I truly do. However I think our whole violent, gun crazed culture is sad. I think it's sad our government kills poor brown people in the middle east with expensive weapons. I think it's equally sad that someone can buy assault weapons and a shit load of ammunition without raising a red flag.

Do I think the government has any right to attempt to control our gun culture when they have a heavyhand in perpetuating it? Not really.

Do I wish very fervently that the average person with any inkling of common sense can realize it's fucking retarded to own an assault rifle when you live in the burbs and have never seen any threat, including large game, which warrants an assault rifle in their whole posh protected boring suburban life? Yes.

It's a culture shift I would like to see, not necessarily a change in laws.

But let's not forget the nra does as much lobbying and puts out as much propaganda as the anti gun crowd.