baby suckling on another boob

kayte · Jul 21, 2006

nicely said, maggie.

ScatterBrainedMom · Jul 21, 2006

Cosmic Butterfly said:

My mother breastfed me for two years. When she took me back to Tunisia, her sister was also nursing my cousin. She said that I would go over and nurse with my little cousin. It was a quite beautiful, and there was truly nothing wrong. She was my aunt, my mothers sister. A beautiful bonding experience for everyone.

YOUR SIG IS MIND BLOWING!! BTW
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thanks! i do think it is great bonding to nurse another baby or have your baby nurse another mama. thats why i would only do it with someone I know they will have a bond with

barefoot_kirstyn · Jul 21, 2006

thankyou for clearing the air with that maggie
scatterbrainedmom~i didn't see your sig earlier, but yeah, it's awsome!

RetroGroove_Grrl · Jul 22, 2006

The reason I suggested pumping was because we're talking abgout ANOTHER WOMAN feeding the baby, not its mother. The point is, its unhygenic. If you want other people to feed your baby, then using their breast is not the safest way to go, and you CANNOT feed a baby with a non lactating breast. If it is to pacify the child, THEN USE A PACIFIER Jesus! There are plently of other reasons why people change from breast to bottle. Sometimes mamas dot have enough milk. but really that isnt what this thread was about in the first place.

And I agree, giving a baby soy is a bad idea! I never said it wasnt.

barefoot_kirstyn · Jul 22, 2006

No, you should not give a soother to a sucessful breastfed baby, that can cause nipple confusion, just like a bottle would. breast is best

Cosmic Butterfly · Jul 22, 2006

Maggie Sugar said:

Ladies, let's try to chill, OK. One cannot have an "Opinion" about a fact, fact is fact, and fact is not something you can "decide on." But, there is no reason to call names. Combat lack of knowlege with actual knowlege, not name calling. "Kay?

I DO need to address something with fact, NOT opinion.
OK, you said you are not "misinformed" about breastfeeding. I am not so sure. (And I am not saying this with any vehemence, just from what you say, and what is WELL KNOWN about the facts about human milk feeding are TWO differnt things entirely)

You expect a womyn to PUMP her milk,(assuming she has the proper pump,teh money to buy a good pump, the time to pump it, the place to store it, and the knowlege to use it) anywhere from 8 to 20 times a DAY and put it into a plastic object, rewarm it, then feed it to the baby? WHY? Why waste all that time, waste a good deal of nutrients and subject the baby to nipple confusion AND a lack of his mother's breast? (all the while the milk is losing nutrients and antibodies, AND the FACT that there are antibodies which can ONLY be obtained while the baby is attached to the actual breast.) Her breasts are RIGHT THERE! I have NEVER fed my milk in a bottle, after my first baby got SEVERE nipple confusion. Do you know what that is? (Some actual education about breastfeeding and you would know.) Babies can often FORGET how to breastfeed, or learn to suck in a nonfunctional manner from a SINGLE bottle. After we cured the nipple confusion with my first baby ALL those bottles went into the trash and were never bought a single bottle, nor bottle fed an infant in my house again. Nipple confusion is the SINGLE most common reason breastfeeding fails. Did you know that? If you were "edcated" on breastfeeding you would. You DON'T know about breastfeeding, admit it. It isn't the end of the world, but PLEASE do not tell BREASTFEEING MOTHERS the untrue things you beleive are "fact" but are in reality, nothing but old doctor's tales and simple mistruths or "opinions." One cannot substitute opinion for fact, especially in a place like this, where the mamas really know their breastfeeding stuff.

Again, IF you did know about breastfeeding AND the human infant, you would know that the infant immune system is not "strengthened" enough, or even anywhere near done developing until around SIX or SEVEN years of age. That is NOT an opinion. It is fact. "Survive?" Yeah. In this day and age, maybe. "Thrive to the best that that child would have otherwise, if given human milk for the duration that a human primate was intended to?" NO. Also, I think nearly all mama's aspirations for their babies extend BEYOND simply "surviving" infancy. Hell, there is a chance your kid could survive fed on Kool Aid, with a little salt thrown in, but I certain wouldn't advise it, and I think the majority of mothers have enough brain power to not do something that simply gives a "chance" of survival. Most of us want our babies to do as well as they are genetically progarmmed to do, and do whatever that takes to reach that goal. Simply "surviving" is not the only goal. And, science has shown that a minimum of 12 months or more is going a long way to attaining that goal.

If you were to look at history, (or actually were educated on breastfeeding) you would know until about 70 years ago babies who weaned before 12 to 18 months or so simply DIDN'T survive. Look at the Foundling Hosptials in Europe, from the Middle Ages up until the invention of Antibiotics, where single womyn would bring their babies, so they could either get on with their lives or become wet nurses. These places usually could not afford wet nurses, so they fed animal milk or "pap." (what modern formulea is based on.) Most had NINETY NINE PERCENT DEATH RATES. This is not an opinion, it is fact. Babies simply did NOT survive without human milk, ever. Look at Africa or other underdeveloped countries, non breastfed babies, or those who are weaned at....say.......6 months, more than 60% death rates. Fact.

You say you don't think babies should have cow milk. did you KNOW that MOST formulea are made with just that? What do you think they make it out of? Chimpazee milk? (actually, that would be a better alternative, but chimps tend to bite when hooked up to breast pumps and we can't "cattle" them like cows.)

Seeing as soy is a high allergen and not appropriate for many babies (althoiugh some do fine on it, if that is the only choice,) and neither is Cow milk and, in your opinion, neither is continued breastfeeding WHAT is a mother supposed to feed her INFANT, who, in FACT does NOT have a Strengthened Immune System? Human milk, with formula as a choice, only for those in medical need, are the ONLY choices. Many many babies are, IN FACT, not even taking any solid food at 6 or 7 months. That is a normal developmental expectation for the human infant. (In fact, the AAP and other well researched groups, based on actual fact, recommend not even trying to feed a baby any solids before the 6 month mark, and some take many momths after that to actually need and want solids.) So, what are these babies supposed to eat? Bottles may cause nipple confusion, is expensive, and can decrease the antibody load, cow milk is out of the question, chimp milk is not available and solids are certainly NOT recommended alone. What choice is there for the majority of mothers and babies? Hmmn, the choice that was first given. Breastfeeding.

I'm going to tell you something. There are things I reallly don't know a lot about. :H I stay out of the Sex forum, one, because I don't want to be there, TWO, because my knowlege of different choices of sexual acts is not something I am "educated" in. I post very infrequently on the Vegetarian Forum, mainly because my Vege days are long behind me, and my Education on the subject is not applicable, and is very outdated. IN other words, I don't use my OPINIONS as FACT, at all, especially in situations where I may well have NO IDEA what I am talking about. I am not going to go waltzing into a thread on proper vegetarian food, or S&M acts, when I know little more than either outdated information, or things I have heard through less than informed sources.

Really, I think people only get mad when others on this thread, who know nothing about the things they are well aware of, tell them what to do, or use their uneducated opinion as "fact" when those of us who have these things as essensial parts of our lives DO know the facts. If you think it is "Icky" that a womyn nurses an other womyn's baby, that is your opinion, and you are welcome to it.(But if you do say something like this, please realize the hornet's nest which will be stirred up.) When you start telling people what babies NEED, and how long they "need" it, based on faulty information, and you are FAR from the truth, then a line has been crossed. Please, the reason people have responded to you with such vehemence is that your stating your opinions as fact and your less than stellar "knowlege" about breastfeeding is upsetting.

Your concern about transmission of certain disesases was something that I also touched on. But, if Kayte and her freind are comfortable with the arrangement, and Kayte knows that she does run the risk of the chance of an angry mama (which is probably unlikely in this case) or even disrupting her periods due to breast stimulation, or even runs the risk of actually starting to produce a small amount of colostrum, than the other arguments are reallly not imporant.

Retro, I am not calling you on the carpet. But, mothers who KNOW what they are talking about are really upset with some of the cavalier comments about misinformation concerning "what babies need." Where ARE you getting your information? Because, if one looks anywere from The American Acedemy of Pediatrics, to the World Health Organization, to the Centers for Disease Control to the Journal of Human Lactation to journals from Pediatrics to The Journal of Immunology to Developmental Journal ect, with the exception of your concern about the small risk of disease transmission, you "facts" are not supported by any recent or long held to be true data.

Please, no hard feelings, but you are dealing with some VERY sensitive subjects here, and being too casual can not only upset people (and not in a thinking, educating well meaning way) but maybe even give a new mother or someone who is not yet a mother improper information which could actually cause breastfeeding failure. And, to be honest, you really don't have enough knowlege to be giving people breastfeeding advice.
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