attention christians

Yes - that's pretty much the official version. But look at it like this - it was actually Russia that won WW II, so far as the war against the NAZI's goes. Once Hitler attacked and failed to win quickly using blitzkrieg tactics, defeat for Germany became inevitable. It boiled down to a war of rescources and manpower, and Germany couldn't hope to win. The Soviet war machine became un-stoppable, and would undoubtedly have swept through Germany and France, with the result that the whole of Europe would have been dominated by communism, leaving America with no significant allies in the post war period. Under those circumstances, perhaps a neuclear halocaust would have been more likely, and of course, Russia would have been left in an infinitely stronger position, able in effect to dominate the global picture. The USA would have been very much marginalized and isolated.

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also, the US government wanted to get into the war [mainly for economic reasons] but they knew that the country would not respond well to it [cause of the isolationism policy]...they HAD warinigns of Pearl Harbour, they left the ships there, and it wasnt such a suprise attack as you've been taught...this gave the americans an easy in for the war...

i dont know of any sources, this is my social teacher talking...i could see it being true

 

Nope. God hates us. Look around you: Disease, poverty, hunger, anger, drama, pain, death. You think God brings this kind of life to those God loves? The only thing is this: you can be an atheist and deny God's existence, stick your head in the sand like an ostrich, or you can be a man and Hate God. Of course you can love God as well, but if you claim to have no hatred for God your head is in the sand (you are lying to your self, but God knows the truth). If you don't hate God, you don't know God.

Wrong. Would be nice if all the pain and suffering were not part of a divine plan though, wouldn't it?

 

I'm not christian, but I find it to be a beautiful religion - when its done right. Too many people these days think that being christian means attending church habitually, but I beleive that it is a personal relationship with God.

Many christians do very well to disgust me though. I have been to several churches inwhich the whole sermon was pity on those born into other religions. That sickens me, I think that if you want God in your life, he'll be there, and he can take any form. I also attended a church where the message was basically, "you can get into heaven if you tithe a whole bunch!" I didn't like that at all. The whole idea that there is only one right religion pisses me off, but many religions believe that about themselves. Not all christians are like that.

Another thing about christianity is the whole fear thing.. so many are into christianity merely because they are afraid of God's wrath or going to hell. I firmly believe that firstly, God wants us to serve him out of love, not fear; and secondly, hell is not a physical place, but a state of mind.

Anyhow, these are just a few of my opinions on christianity, and I have the right to voice them without being attacked - just like everyone should be able to worship how they like without persecution. It is hard not to get angry when religious people try to force it on others and define "right" and "wrong," but counter-attacking with hate does nothing for the situation.

<3 and peace.

 

Well, if that is the case, the did a really POOR job. Considering 100 million Europeans were under Soviet rule AFTER World War II.

Secondly, I don't remember the U.S. firing a shot a Russia during World War II either. The Communists confiscated 10 nations during World War II and the U.S. signed the agreement at Yalta thus sealing the deal.

Frankly, I think it was all about FDR's failed social programs and the war would generate the money needed to bring back the economy--it worked. At the cost of millions of lives.

 

That is NOT the way it happened. The United States attacked the German U-Boats waaayyyy before the U-boats shot back.

This is fact. Hitler did not want the United States in the war.

However, when Japan attacked the United States, Hitler declared war for two reasons:

1- His alliance with Japan and his assumptions that the US was significantly weakened.

2- He didn't want to "loose face" since the U-Boat attacks were made by American ships, and now they had a reason.

 

I don't know who is right and who is not, but this is not the way it was taught to me in school.

I was taught that germany was planning on starvng britan into defeat by cutting off their supplies from america, and so the U-Boats were used to sink anything headed towards britan.

 

Textbooks vs. Historical documentaries/Biographies....that is tough. I'd go with what I've read...textbooks seem to be very simplistic. You get more depth with the history books and biographies, I think.

Germany was going to do this according to some sources (very reliable ones), but the American guns were the first to fire upon the German ships (although most of these were through America's program with England--and were the English firing them.) The fact of the matter was that American bombs were the first to hit the Germans and not vice-versa.

This is not to defend the Germans, either. It is just a piece of the historical record.

But, as you say...who knows the real truth??

I, personally, have never been too keen on the "textbook" version without proper indepth study into the more exhaustive writings.

 

Perhaps you misunderstand. Once the invasion of europe had taken place on D-Day it was a race to liberate as much of europe from NAZI occupation as possible before it was liberated by the Soviets.
The US general, patton, wanted to team the US army up with the remainder of the Wermacht and have a crack at the Ruskies back in '45.
The US and their allies couldn't really do much about the fact that Russia had already in effect taken most of eastern europe, without entering into another protracted war against Russia. Hence they agreed to the terms of Yalta.
Look at the alternative - the countries occupied by the Soviets were far from rich or technichally advanced. It would have been a quite different story if they gone on to take the rest of Germany, France, the Benelux countries and Britain. It would have meant Soviet world domination without a doubt, and the USA would have been left without any significant allies in the world.

 

I agree, love is spontaneous; you can't choose to love something, just as you can't choose to believe in something. I can't sit down and force myself to believe in unicorns, and I can't force myself to love Hitler.

 

There are several theories...

One is that the Allies should've allowed Germany to invade Russia and then ransack them from the trail--thus eliminating both Communism and Nazism.

However, the main drag was that the United States was not forced into World War II by the Germans. Secondly, the history behind the embargo on Japan would've starved them out--attacking Pearl Harbor was the choice they made.

The US got involved in the European conflict too late to make any significant changes in the Soviet conquest.

Whether the US should have gotten involved is a moot point, though. They did, and the results were not a complete success for any party.

 

C'mon TrippinBTM, I'll force you to be my friend, but if you don't I'll have to take away all of your music collection!! But, remember I love you, man!!!

 

so hitler is evil because he ordered the masacre of millions of people and god is rightous because he "ordered" the masacre of millions of people...of course..it all makes sense now. i wish i would have known that a long time ago... it would stop me from being a sinner and questioning something i didnt understand.

 

i would kill you sooner than let you take my music, sir.

 

I agree there are many interpretations possible. The problem I see if they'd said, ok, let Hitler and Stalin fight it out by themselves is that the USSR would very probably still have won.

Who can say which might have been the better outcome? It's pointless I suppose to speculate.

 

Perhaps...

 

But where would we be without speculation?

 

All I can say, is believe what you want to believe. I am confirmed as a Catholic, and I hate it. I do not beleive in the religion and never go to church. Honestly tho, does that MAKE me a bad person? Another thing I don't like about the church, is that god is too forgiving. He makes it seem right that we do bad things. If we do something wrong we should try not to do it again, but that is not the case. Most people just go to confession and think its all better. They do it again, and just figure,"Ahh, what the hell I'll just go to confession and it will all be better." That is not the case. If your one of those people, next time actually think about what you did, and try not to do it again. Thats all I have to say about it.

 

You've taken my remark out of context K. I only meant it's a bit pointless ruuning through 'what if' scenarios regarding the past. Not that I think it's either bad or harmful - just a waste of time.

 

Of course I have. I was speculating what would happen if I did that. Now I know.

Yeah. Sometimes it's fun.